Found some videos off what I suppose is a new form of test for dogs in germany, an alternative körung to the already established körung for the GSD and the other working breeds in germany. It seems to be a mix of tests for mentality I´m used to see in Sweden coupled with some protectionroutines.
I guess this is a new test, if I remember rigth Helmut Raiser and others in Germany have looking on different tests in different countries, maybe this is what they now have decided on? Any thoughts on the test shown in the video´s?
For the whole test performed by a dobe, click at "video´s" and scroll down to the bottom of the side to see the vid´s. http://clik.to/sportdobermann
I know that Germany has been discussing changing the kor system to a number system like the old ddr system used to be. I don't think that they've voted on it yet for the GSD world.
An alternate kor system that emphasises working ability would be great.
If it could be implemented here and is something that could be done in a weekend with minimal training for the dog it would function here in the US.
The current kor system from the SV takes too much time, too much $$, and inhibits breeders from participating with their own stock and drives the import of Europes castaways that make it into "brreders" stock here.
As long as that system continues the US will have very few working dog breeders and the ones we do have will either be importing and not ever produce a lineage of fine dog just produce dogs. Those with a line will be forced to do so without documentation of working ability if they are to produce neough dogs to understand the breed, their stock, and how it produces and be able to discard the ones that don't produce well.
This koerung is designed to test the working abilities of a dog,intelligence,stress handling but does not officially judge the dogs.So there's no right or wrong.The dogs are being described in their behaviour.This test can be done by dogs from 2 1/2 years and older and with minimum bitetraining, it takes about 40 min. per dog.The stress level increases as time goes by.One can use the describtions for breeding in the way you like ém.What someone wants to see in behaviour is not the same for everybody, therefore there is no right/wrong judgement.If you want to breed a pet you want different behaviour than a working dog.I think it's a great test without all the political mambo jambo in breeds specific test/koerungs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> The website mentioned is my website and the dog is mine too,if there are anymore questions,I will try to answer them.
Here's another preview of the video/dvd made by the organisors: http://www.premium-koerung.de/Praambel/PK_1.wmv
It was evaluated by Erik Lieberknecht,who (as I understood) tests and selects police dogs and Antje Grzeschiczek.
But I don't know if they will take every koerung or that there will be others in the future. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
For me it was a great way to participate in a koerung wich had more than the DV koerung in my opinion.
Just got a e-mail back from a friend and breeder of working line GSD's in Germany. He said the SV wants to replace the korung I and II with a new system within 2 years.
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There are good reasons that the SV should replace their Koreung - fact is Schutzhund USA should be doing the same thing. Kevin Sheldahl and Johanus Grewe (Sp?) have been saying this for years. Maybe if someone had listened to them Sch USA would not be loosing members like they are.
The fact is it does not take a SCH 1 to determine if a dog is breed worthy - I have proven that in my breeding career -many of my females are not titled but I consitently produce working dogs with one of my dogs being on the world team this year. But I do know how to evaluate the temperament and drive and pedigree of a dog to determine if its breed worthy. I can do this because of the experience of breeding 350 litters - new people cannot - but if there was a well designed Kor (like Kevin and Raiser and Johanus are talking about) the average breeder could do a small amount of training and take their dog to be judged and evaluated for breeding. This would do more for the breed than the sport of Schutzhund.
So all a prospective buyer needs to do is take the breeders word that his/her dogs are worth it? A working title, be it schutzhund, or other, especialy titles from eastern european nations, that really test there dogs and grade them/title them accordingly doesn't mean as much as the breeders bragging?
I think you dug up an old topic and missed the point Ed was conveying.
It doesn't matter if the titles from from Eastern Europe, Belgium or Mars for that matter.
I think Ed meant while titles are good to have, there are even dogs (such as his) which are sometimes untitled yet of proven working quality.
I agree.
Forunately I have the time and resources to have to drive 3.5 each way weekly to find a club that meets consistently but not everyone can do this.
Also there are some good dogs out there without titles. These dogs may have still been worked in all phases but the owner for some reason may not have wanted to title the dog. There are endless reasons why this happens.
Anyway I won't "blab" too long on a topic dug up from July. But I think that's one of the points that was trying to be made
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