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#81144 - 08/03/2005 12:49 PM |
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I want to start my training career as a breeder/trainer. I have his basic dog obedience. I want to cover all apects behavior, obedience, and protection. My question is what would the next few videos be if I had a puppy. Chronological video library I can use right away.
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#81145 - 08/03/2005 12:53 PM |
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I do understand there is certification and time. But I am start working o starting with my dog. thanks
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#81146 - 08/03/2005 01:43 PM |
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What kind of training do you want to do?...Shutzhund, etc..?
Getting a certification at a school doesnt make you a dog trainer. It just charges you a bunch of money and gives you a certificate that is worthless. The best way to learn to train is to start from the bottom and just learn and absorb. You do this by listening, watching, etc from people that have been training for a long time and had success with their training. Going to seminars. Joining a club...schutzhund club, etc...depends what you want to acomplish with the dog.
Reading books and watching videos help but they wont teach you to be a good trainer. That only comes with time and experience. There are trainers that have been training for a long long time that still are learning new things....it never ends.
Dogs have different personalities, motivations, drives, thresholds, etc....so you have to adjust to the dog and that is something that is learned by experience.
With that said if you want to get videos to start off I would recommend; Building drive focaus, and grip with Bernhard Flinks. Mastering that video helps with every phase. Then depending what you want to do with the dog you get others....for instance protection; Bite training puppies, First steps of bite training, also First steps of defense is good.
Now the learning to be a good breeder just comes down to the simple point that you are breeding to improve the breed. If you follow that rule then everything else should fall in place.
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#81147 - 08/03/2005 02:49 PM |
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Dan, here's a tip, free of charge.
You are calling your Pit Bull kennel by the name "Weapons of Mass Destruction Kennel" ,yet you have links to anti-BSL sites - sorry, that's kinda hypocritical.
You know what kind of buyers are going to be attracted to a kennel name like that, plus it's easy for the BSL crowd to point to a kennel name like that as evidence of what Pit Bull breeder's are like.
Not trying to hurt your fellings, that's just common sense. Stuff like that hurts your breed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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#81148 - 08/03/2005 04:35 PM |
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OMG! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Dude, first, you don't start off a career as a breeder. How about learning the in/out's of training first, the more you learn and gain experience you will come to know more about what to look for in a breeding prospect. If your on here looking for DVD's to help you learn about training you damn sure don't need to be worried about breeding right now. Secondly you don't just jump into the "game" like that. Put in time, pay your dues, prove yourself a little. otherwise you'll be breeding dogs that will end up in a shelter or on the front page of the newspaper, because serious doggers are not going to buy dogs from someone who just popped up in the game yesterday. I'm not trying to bust you down, but I'm just being straight with you, primarily because as many on this board knows, I am a big pit lover and those poor dogs are carring enough of the ignorance of society on their shoulders, from the totally ignorant fancier to the dumb go with the flow public. You can goto the best dog schools out there like triple crown and so fourth and yes you will learn A L O T, but it will still take alot more experience than you will get at a training school to be a good breeder. Also, Certs as mentioned before don't mean squat. If your motivation is a piece of paper to say to the public see I know what I'm talking about that is the wrong reason to go. I would goto a school like triple crown to attempt to increase my knowledge, not a certification. Certifications don't really exist, as there is no governing body for dog trainers. So I can start a school right now, and say I'll certify people in my methods. The schools should be taken up for knowledge not a paper. I know it looks as if I'm coming down hard on you, and I hope you would understand I feel this information is in your own intrest to make you more successful in the future, and to help you do right by the breed that you and I love dearly. Pits are awesome dogs and deserve more justice than they are currently getting from people. Just think about what your saying and hopefully you'll make the right choices.
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#81149 - 08/03/2005 05:31 PM |
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I appreciate your feedback. I have been around dogs and trained a few dogs. mainl gsd and pits. I have been putting in some time. I am not saying I know alot. I understand alot of behavior and training and that all dogs are different in regards to training. BUT I also know it is better to keep quiet be humble and learn. I personally understand that a certificate means nothing. But how do you convince someone without proof as far as trying to run a business. I have trained some of my family's dogs but they trust me. I Hope I am making sense. I am just here to learn as much as I can. PS there are no trainers around where I am. I would love to just hookup with someone. And just absorb all they have to offer. thank you very much for the feedback
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#81150 - 08/03/2005 05:36 PM |
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first off thank you for replying. I am breeding to improve the breed. I am happy to say that I have changed alot of peoples mind about them including just about my entire family.
I would love to sit under someone and just absorb but I know of noone that does that let alone where I am at. No seminars no clubs. I am stationed in the army and about 20 min from canada. watertown ny. All the advice and videos are going to my next male. again thank you very much. I appreciate any and all advice from anyone.
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#81151 - 08/03/2005 05:57 PM |
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But how do you convince someone without proof as far as trying to run a business.
Reputation, Attitude & Confidence.
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#81152 - 08/03/2005 06:05 PM |
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I only meant that I have been trying to be the best ambassador for the breed. I think the proof is in my dogs and being around them to see their temperament and the fact that they are not dog aggressive. Forgive me if I missed what you were trying to point out. Please clarify. thanks
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#81153 - 08/03/2005 06:18 PM |
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Hello,
Being a sucesful salesman in the mortgage industry for years. I can tell you this based on my experience. This is all intended to be constructive critiscism. The nature of typed dialogue is that you lose the tone and sincerity of the message
1-The name of your kennel will atract a dis-reputable clientele. People looking for a house pet, or show dog will be turned off. Weapons of Mass Destruction brings visions of bombs, assault rifles, and nucleor warfare to mind, not the vision most people would look for in a family or show dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
2-The self-condifdence and communication you use with potential clients will be 100 times more effective in growing your business than a slip of paper. I don't have a college degree, but I interview and present myself amazingly well, which is why I have this boring, high paid desk job today <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
3-Use your family as referrals for your training classes. 90% of the salespeople I have trained DO NOT ask for referrals! A referral is very easy to get if you give top notch service. Nobody is ever offended that you ask, and people will always tell other people about a new dog, it's exciting. If you have actively laid your groundwork, a co-worker will tell your family memeber in passing that they got a new dog, and your family memeber at some point will say this, "My brother is an AMAZING dog trainer. He worked with our dog, and showed us some great stuff! You should give him a call!"
4-People buy from people they like. If you have 30 yrs. in business, 20 referalls, and a gold star, you will lose a client in 1 second by pissing them off.
And as far as your actual question is concerned, I would suggest all of Ed's video's. Every one that I have seen has excellent information, and the more you know, the quicker you build your confidence!
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