This term is not new to me. But is the training different from protection training or police k9.

It's an advertising term.
For me, it means that the dog can function in most social situations with the owner, yet can still provide meaningful protection - and in my experience, that's *very* rare.
It's actually very hard to get a dog that is stable in crowded events, transport, etc, yet still will actually protect the owner. The term is way overused, and if you honestly look at dogs sporting those titles, it's usually BS.

thanks

Will,
Are you familiar with the site http://www.protectiondogs.com? Reading their descriptions of what their dogs can do makes me think I'm reading about a machine rather than a living animal. Can these dogs have the temperment to perform these functions while remaing docile around children? Do you know anyone who has experience with any of their dogs?

Thanks,
John

Oh, I'm familiar with their highly exaggerated claims.
And we've had some of their more obnoxious customers ( who were pretty much total idiots ) as forum members here until their behavior got them banned by Ed.

Hey, if people will buy crap and then defend their poorly informed purchase ( because the alternative is to admit to yourself and the world that you got scammed ) , it will allow people like that site to keep their business going. There's a sucker born every minute.

I received several PM's from Forum members asking me further questions about this subject and two requests to keep the topic open, so I've unlocked this thread again.

It was also requested that I add my PM view that went into deeper detail about what I think about most of the "executive protection dogs" , so I'm posting that also after I removed the names.




Here's my views on the ppd's, based on my years of observations:

It seems that there is always a trade off between stability and the ability for the dog to provide a real deterrent. Almost all the dogs that are calm enough to be truely safe in a social situation are unable to turn on fast enough ( or intense enough ) to protect their owners.
Yet the dogs that are the real deal are usually 'twitchy" and ready for that fight....and then there is always the danger of the dog interpreting someone's actions towards you in the wrong way.
It's a trade off. If you really need a dog like that, you likely have taken steps to protect yourself already, such as carrying a weapon fulltime, increasing your situation awareness, etc. So a near "hair-trigger" dog is not that much additional responsibility for folks that live at the edge.

The problems arise when the folks that are "la-dee-da" in life and just want a ppd ( almost always for the wrong reason ) end up with a real dog by accident - those type of people don't need, nor can they control a high level dog. And bad things happen.

I feel the above explanations are why phonies are so able to flood the ppd world. Most owners don't know beans about what actual protection entails, so if they're sold a weak SchH I dog for waaay too much money, hell, they'll never know - they just got the dog to brag about it any how. And if they actually needed a good dog and got the usual piece of crap sold by these scamming ppd vendors, well...they end up dead or assaulted because the dog didn't do it's job.

Hey Will,
Great post man <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I think you summed up the entire thread with those comments. I'm glad you posted that so everybody can see it. I've also been to that site and new just by looking at it and the prices that this place was BS.

Anyway I just wanted to let you know that once again you have informed the masses <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Will,

Do you want a different type of dog when it comes to mentality for a pure PP-dog compared to a policedog?

I think that a pure ppd can be sharper than a PSD, as the PSD *has* to function in public to some degree.

I havn't crunched the numbers yet, but if you add up cost of PPD, vet bills, food, care and kennel. All the range time to stay profecient in firearms, cost of ammo,guns, permits. The claymore you snuck back in in your dufflebag, and all the other taget hardening devices. I just might as well hire you two guys(Will&Andre) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />