Dog Jumped...Now Aggressive
#82182 - 08/10/2005 06:08 AM |
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The other day I was at a closed golf course working on a long down. I was about 20 yards away standing behind a tree when a chow mix came running out of nowhere and jumped my dog, a one year old gsd. My dog got the mutt by the throat, I outed him and punched the mutt hard on the head. Now my dog, who has never been animal aggressive is barking and puffing up at other dogs. Is this a problem I'm going to have to deal with for the rest of his life or is this just a passing behavior from getting jumped?
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Re: Dog Jumped...Now Aggressive
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#82183 - 08/10/2005 06:44 AM |
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Since I'm sure at a year you've had him around tons of dogs already. And if with all those other dogs, all the other times, he was normal (cause he knew strange dogs are ok), then with your support and guidance, he'll do just fine.
Just go back to when he first was out and about with other dogs. I'd work on his attention and focus on you, give him a pop/release on the leash and praise for him looking back at you and ignoring the other dogs.
This is exactly why it's so great when we have our dogs out and socialized well with other new dogs in their first year (and I'm not talking necessarily about playing and loving all new dogs, just being well behaved around new dogs). When they have had the opportunity to be around so many dogs and nothing bad has happened, they are much more easily able to put one bad experience into perspective and realizing THAT Chow is mean and nasty. Not ALL DOGS ARE NASTY.
So just keep up the good work with having him trained and exposed to other dogs and knowing you are in control and he needs to be looking at you, and cuing from you, not ignoring you and going ballistic everytime another dog is in the area.
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Re: Dog Jumped...Now Aggressive
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#82184 - 08/10/2005 10:34 AM |
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Since I'm sure at a year you've had him around tons of dogs already. And if with all those other dogs, all the other times, he was normal (cause he knew strange dogs are ok), then with your support and guidance, he'll do just fine.
If you mean by "fine" that the dog is not damaged I agree...but my experience (in an another thread on this board) with my dog being jumped is that she is now forever aggressive to other dogs. This bitch, then 3 yrs old, had never paid much attention to other dogs at all, and certainly not with aggression. But it's been over a year now, and in spite of socialization, her fear aggression to other dogs continues. Defensive barking with hackles...
We have two other dogs: a 5 yr old gsd male who has always been dog aggressive, but his aggression is domination based (no hackles, just a "get over here and pay me homage!" message.)
The other gsd bitch I got at 5 months puts on a fear-based aggression display at other dogs...notable other gsds! I think this bitch was also attacked sometime before 5 months old, tho the breeder didn't say.
Once jumped, I'm thinking the survival instinct kicks in at just the sight of another dog.
What do others say...?
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Re: Dog Jumped...Now Aggressive
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#82185 - 08/10/2005 11:04 AM |
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Jenn,
"Not ALL DOGS ARE NASTY."
That's your *opinion*, and I think that the advice that you're giving can lead to physical harm of both a dog and it's owner.
While I don't want my dog going off strongly on other dog I am fine with him giving warning growls to dogs and people that intrude into his space. And I see people with poorly trained and borderline dangerous pets out in public every day making dumb mistakes and allowing their dogs to get in the face of other dogs and make aggressive responses.
In my world, you're better off avoiding dogs walked by owners unless the owner states that his dog is fine with other dogs - otherwise I'm very wary. And your suggesting that "not all dogs is nasty"..well, do you wait until that nasty dog that hasn't gone off yet on your dog is right next to you, where you no longer have the option of protecting your dog? I train my students to consider every dog a threat until proven otherwise, and it's the safest thing to do.
Even in the many obedience classes that I've taught or attended, there were always at least two or three aggressive dogs that most of the class would avoid. And you say that "not all dogs are nasty"? Sure....go through life singing la-dee-da and not being on guard against the realities of life and see what happens.
Sorry, crap advice like that lulls people into not being aware and alert to the dangers around them. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Dog Jumped...Now Aggressive
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#82186 - 08/10/2005 01:05 PM |
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The advise that Jenn Kavanaugh gave in this thread is not only 100% wrong - its dangerous. Anyone new to this board or thread needs to read the article I wrote on dog parks. It's in my list of training article on the web site. Ms Kavanaugh - just so we are on the same page - you have a lot to learn about dominaince and dog aggression. I suggest that you read before you post on this subject again. I wont deal with opinionated bad advise based on a lack of experience.
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Re: Dog Jumped...Now Aggressive
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#82187 - 08/10/2005 01:29 PM |
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"Not ALL DOGS ARE NASTY."
That is a true statement. Nowhere in Jenn`s post did I read that Simon`s dogs should run up and greet every dog.
"So just keep up the good work with having him trained and exposed to other dogs and knowing you are in control and he needs to be looking at you, and cuing from you, not ignoring you and going ballistic everytime another dog is in the area."
"(and I'm not talking necessarily about playing and loving all new dogs, just being well behaved around new dogs). "
Did you and Ed actually read these two statements?
"Ms Kavanaugh - just so we are on the same page - you have a lot to learn about dominance and dog aggression. "
Actually I find that amusing. I know Jenn, I`ve seen her handle her dogs, I`ve seen her at agility events where not all dogs are friendly and can tell you she understands dominance and dog aggression.
Will you didn`t say anything that Jenn didn`t say she just doesn`t pretend to be badass.
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Re: Dog Jumped...Now Aggressive
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#82188 - 08/10/2005 01:45 PM |
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Thanks for the insult Roger, sorry that you think that I'm "pretending to be badass".
Personal attacks are forbidden on the board, by the way.
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Re: Dog Jumped...Now Aggressive
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#82189 - 08/10/2005 02:05 PM |
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I said Jenn doesn`t pretend to be a badass. Did you really read her post? Or mine? I don`t think anybody that has responded would advocate just allowing any dog to approach your dog without knowing that dog and handler. Having a dog that can be social when it`s handler deems it okay is what Jenn was aiming toward. Being attacked at that critical age can be traumatic and hopefully Simon can work through it.
"So just keep up the good work with having him trained and exposed to other dogs and knowing you are in control and he needs to be looking at you, and cuing from you, not ignoring you and going ballistic everytime another dog is in the area."
That`s the key. Handler in control.
"Anyone new to this board or thread needs to read the article I wrote on dog parks. "
Couldn`t agree more. Off leash parks are disasters waiting to happen.
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#82190 - 08/10/2005 02:06 PM |
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Roger - check your private messages. I read the posts. Telling people to get dogs out and around strange dogs is dangerous information.
80% of the emails I get are a result of people who have either had a dog fight, been bitten by a dog, had their dogs attacked by dogs. I have these emails in files right in front of me and they are going into a book I am writing on the subject. Telling new dog owners to take their dog out and around strange dogs is bad advice, it is irresponsible advice if your friend is a dog trainer that is supose to know training. It does not matter how well she handles her own dogs - telling new trainers to do this is wrong.
The fact is the vast majority of dogs become dog aggressive after they have been attacked only once. Many attacks are unprovoked. Many attacks are done from fight or flight and novice trainers dont even see or recognize the signs of an attack before they happen.
So my advice is to read tghe article I told you to read and be very careful in how you word your posts.
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