 Some Progress Possibly in VA
#82262 - 08/11/2005 08:28 AM |
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Re: Some Progress Possibly in VA
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#82263 - 08/11/2005 10:53 AM |
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We're watching this one real close here in Richmond. I don't think this is "ProActive" enough. I heard of a county that forbids tieing out a dog to a tree or a stake as a means of containment and specifies kennel and doghouse size. I'm going to track that down and see if I can introduce something like that in my County. Will R, aren't you on some animal control board? How would you go about this?
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#82264 - 08/11/2005 11:15 AM |
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I found it
Fairhope, Alabama
May 12, 2003 - Chaining or tethering dogs is prohibited. Attaching dogs to a running line or trolley is permitted, provided that the line is at least 10 feet long. Enclosures must provide a minimum of 150 square feet for dogs over 6 months of age.
Ordinance No. 1169
AN ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT THE CHAINING OR TETHERING OF DOGS AND MANDATING THAT DOG ENCLOSURES MUST PROVIDE 150 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE FOR DOGS OVER SIX MONTHS OF AGE BE IT ORDAINED BY THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF FAIRHOPE, ALABAMA, AS FOLLOWS:
Section 1. Any person owning and/or controlling dogs whether vaccinated or unvaccinated, licensed or unlicensed, shall no allow said animal to be tied or chained to dog houses, or other stationary objects.
Section 2. No person shall, at any time, fasten, chain, or tie any dog or cause such dog to be fastened, chained or tied while such dog is on the dog owner’s property or on the property of the dog owner’s landlord, or on any property within the corporate limits of the City of Fairhope.
Section 3. Any dogs confined within a fenced yard must have an adequate space for exercise based on a dimension of at least 150 square feet per dog. Provided, further that where dogs are kept or housed on property without a fenced yard, the owner of such dogs or persons have custody of such dogs shall provide an enclosure for such dogs meeting the 150 square foot per dog dimension. Such enclosure shall be constructed of chain link or similar type materials with all four sides enclosed. The enclosure shall be sufficient height to prevent the dog from escaping from such enclosure, and shall meet the requirements of the Alabama animal rights protection act 13A-11-241.
Section 4. Nothing in this ordinance shall be construed to prohibit owners or others walking dogs with a hand held leash.
Section 5. Nothing in this ordinance shall be construed to prohibit owners from allowing dogs to be attached to over head runs (i.e. leash or chain attached to an over head wire at least 10 feet long, that allows the dog to move unheeded.)
I'd like to see something like that in our county
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Re: Some Progress Possibly in VA
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#82265 - 08/11/2005 11:52 AM |
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"We have no desire to punish responsible dog owners. The real problem is how to go after the irresponsible ones."
That's the tough problem - how to separate the responsible owners from the problem owners.
If BSL was being pushed in my area I would consider the following ( and yes, I don't think most of this is possible, it's just a "wish" list" ):
1) That the State itself actually provide insurance for the offending breed of dog, with all owners mandated to have such insurance or have their dogs confiscated and destroyed. An additional hefty fine and mandatory jail term for the offending owners that did not get the required insurance. And breeding of restricted breeds would require a further license and unplanned breeding would evoke a huge fine and destruction of the offending dogs.
Think of this as just a hefty dog liquescence - at a cost of around sat $300 per dog per year, this would eliminate most of the lower class folks from owning an offending breed in one fell swoop ( and they're usually the problem owners ) . And if the court systems would actually use the fines and jail terms, it would decrease the number of the offending breed in the wrong hands by a large amount.
I know that this isn't a perfect answer, but it would allow Law Enforcement to have the ability to take care of some of the worse potential problems before bad things happen.
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#82266 - 08/11/2005 12:06 PM |
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at a cost of around sat $300 per dog per year, this would eliminate most of the lower class folks from owning an offending breed in one fell swoop
Gee Will, that hurts <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#82267 - 08/11/2005 12:11 PM |
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I know your kidding Dennis, but I'm aware of just how unfair what I wrote was. Even if it's true.
I'm sure that there are many low income owners of Pit Bulls and the like that are good, caring owners. But looking at all the reports, the dogs that are involved in fatal attacks are ownered primarily by people in the lower social economic class.
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#82268 - 08/11/2005 12:27 PM |
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Our last battle with BSL was $750/dog/yr. All of these tactics are reasonable IMO, lets add when you license your dog they are chipped, then arm our police and animal control officers with a scanning device that would recognized a non-chipped, therefore non-registered animal that could be confiscated. My hope would be these animals tested for temperment and put up for adoption if feasible before destruction. This would start to impact the, for lack of a better term, "thug" ownership syndrome.
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#82269 - 08/11/2005 12:34 PM |
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That would not take care of the "My little Precious wouldn't hurt anybody" people like my nieghbor and her terrier/shepherd mix
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#82270 - 08/11/2005 12:39 PM |
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but isnt cause we never hear of alot of the upper social classes being convicted with their high status lawyers that used to be judges that know everybody...and hence that will not convict or inflict equal punishment for theirs crimes or injustices...
And really what is a 300 or even a 1,000 dollar fine for a rich dude/ dudess....not much damage to his/hers pocket book
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#82271 - 08/11/2005 12:45 PM |
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Possibly true, David. But most well-to-do folks have a whole lot more to lose, and that tends to make them responsible. Plus it usually takes a higher level of responsibility in life to earn more and get into the upper ranks...
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