My husband and I have been doing drive building for almost 2 weeks with our 6 months old GS. We're about to get to the 2nd phase, running in circles while the pup holds the tug, but not there yet. We've also been playing retrieve for a long time now, he loves it, and we say "Give" when we want him to release a toy. My husband uses that as a way to get the puppy tug while doing drive building. I disagree, thinking that this will interfere later with the Out command, when we get to that phase. I suggested a treat or something else. But he thinks his way is fine. Who is right?
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What's the difference between "give" and "out"? Sounds pretty much like the same thing to me.
As for the treat, I would think it's not a good idea. The idea is to build prey drive and focus on the tug, not to teach him to be easily distracted.
Since you're already doing it, study the DVD section on training the out. I think it's worse to train a cue wrong than train it too soon. Watch the DVD for how to avoid a mouthy grip. You may have more problems there than with two cues for the same task.
thanks Anne, I actually found my answer in Ed's Q&A. Here it is:
QUESTION about the Out:
I have a young dog that I have started in drive work. It is not ready for OUT training. How do I get the toy away ?
ANSWER:
Use FOOD. This allows you to keep the training on a positive note. There is no pressure on the dog to take the toy and it doesn’t create stress for a young dog.
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We've also been playing retrieve for a long time now, he loves it, and we say "Give" when we want him to release a toy.
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QUESTION about the Out:
I have a young dog that I have started in drive work. It is not ready for OUT training. How do I get the toy away ?
If your pup is not ready for out training then why was it already started with the cue "give"? It gives the impression that the pup IS ready for out training. You're already asking your pup to release the toy - IMO, you've already started out training.
I began out training in the same way you did - by command after retrieves. She already knew the concept of out, it was a matter of her performing it in prey drive. Now she may be the exception, but I have not baited, distracted or flanked to get the prey object. We have only been working on drive building/focus/grip for 3 weeks. Her memory of the cue as learned by the game of retrieve has been sufficient for her to release the tug.
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