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#8681 - 09/05/2001 07:45 PM |
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Hello guys and gals. Maybe someone can give me some input. My 6 month old male Golden Retriever has started to limp around. It seems as though its a front shoulder limp. He at times now will walk around like an older dog not a pup. Now he did have a serious growth spurt and I am appropriately monitoring his food intake so that he remains fit and trim. This has been going on for a week. My concern is possible OCD. I called my vet and she said that he is probably going through "growing pains" which is common for large breed dogs. She said not to be overly alarmed and to avoid strenuous exercise(which I always do with growing pups). She said he could have 1 aspirin for every 50 lbs of body weight. Now I have never given any dog I have ever owned aspirin. I always worried about stomach bleeding. I would figure anti-inflamatories(prescribed)would be a better bet. Just concerned. I've owned several large breed dogs in my life and this is the first time I've come across this situation believe it or not. Any input? Thanks folks.
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#8682 - 09/05/2001 09:29 PM |
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I'm a little surprised that a vet would rule out OCD or pano and prescribe aspirin w/out an xray.
Both OCD and Pano (growing) pains can only be correctly diagnosed via xray.
As for the meds, that actually does make sense. If it's Pano, meds won't really do much for it anyway. The popular anti inflammatories wreak havoc on major systems and should be used only w/caution and close monitoring. For ex, rimadyl can blow out a liver in a few days time, so most vets are checking liver function while the dog is on it, etogesic is rough on the kidneys. If the aspirin works, it's the safer alternative.
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#8683 - 09/05/2001 09:40 PM |
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Thanks Joy. I have done some research and I now realize what I am dealing with. The dogs that I have owned in the past did not go thru this stage, and they ended up being on the smaller end of the breed standard. Plus I've owned more females than males and I understand that this is more common in males. I'm gonna monitor this closely, while treating with aspirin rather than Rymadyl. Thanks again.
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#8684 - 09/06/2001 10:25 AM |
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Pano and/or growing pains is almost unheard of if your dog is on a raw diet. (I say almost because I have never heard of it but...)
Most people who feed kibble and are having problems with pano put thier dog on food that is lower in protien.
Many vets will prescribe an anti-inflamatory. Generally if your dog is not in excrutiating pain, you should not give anything and REST your dog. You don't want them doing too much if they do have pano. THe pain killers is for the comfort of the dog.
Unfortunately, pano can come and go for several years.
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My GSD had a brief bout of what the vet thought was pano at about 10 months. She said it wasn't worth a big workup unless it continued for more than a week or two, and put him on 50 mg Rimadyl daily plus milk thistle to support his liver. It cleared up in a week or so.
Milk thistle does seem to be pretty marvelous stuff. I've had other dogs on medications that attack the liver, such as rimadyl, and the MT really seems to help--their liver panels stayed pretty steady, although elevated where you'd expect.
Living in Boulder Creek, the mushroom capital of California <g>, I also keep milk thistle around in case my dog eats a poisonous mushroom, such as one of the amanitas. It's stocked in German ERs for exactly that purpose. However, it's not a panacea--amanitin is serious stuff!--so I do a mushroom patrol daily in the winter.
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All my older dogs get a sprinkle of crushed milk thistle seeds in their food. Any dog that is on heartworm prevenative should also be given milk thistle (IMHO)
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Aiko,
Is there a specific correct dose for the milk thistle if you use the capsules? I was also advised to give it to a dog who was on quite a lot of meds.
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My vet recommended 1/8 tsp. (crushed seeds)for a maltese each day with liver problems,if that helps
I don't use it for anything specific,just theraptic for support for the liver so I add approx. 1/4 tsp. of the seeds to the meal. (5 times a wk.)
Capsules are likely more concentrated. I will look it up in a few books when I get home.
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#8689 - 09/06/2001 08:15 PM |
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Shandar,
I don't have my dogs on a raw diet(probably YET)however I do feed them what I consider the next best thing. I currently feed California Natural. I also throw a raw egg w/shell in about 3 times a week and occassionally put some meat in with the food. I have the Pup on the Adult food for the exact reason you mention..too much protien in the puppy foods. As of now, I am strictly resting the pup and I have noticed a slight improvement already. Thanks to everyone for your kind input.
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Just to be clear as well. Protein from raw meat is totally different than the protein from kibble. It affects the body differently etc. My pups/dogs gets lot of raw meat protein and I have not had problems with pano.
One of my dogs comes from a sire that threw pano regularily and the only dogs/pups that did not ever show any symptoms of it were those fed raw natural. Agian, I certainly would not be bold enough to say that it never happens with dogs on a raw natural diet but it has not in my expereinces and I have not heard of a raw fed dog with pano...but I certainly am not an authority on it either.
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