Brian Jackson Webboard User Reg: 03-02-2004
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I recently received a ticket for walking my GSD in a local park with out a hard leash, I was using my e-collar. I read the city ordinance and it states that an animal “at large” is a violation; I don’t consider my dog to be “at large” when he is with me and I am using the e-collar. I was wondering if anyone else has been in this situation and if they know of any information that classifies a e-collar as a leash or have heard of a case that was won like mine. I intend to fight this in court so any help would be appreciated.
If the specific ordinance states only "at large" and not "on a lead" then I think you have a great chance of winning this in a court.
Heck, maybe your local pet ownership groups, kennel clubs, etc. or the e-collar companies would help pay for a attorney to help you or represent you.
Brian Jackson Webboard User Reg: 03-02-2004
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Kevin, I agree with you that I have a good chance at wining, it's a poorly written ordinance. I do plan on contacting Dogtra to as for their help and I will also contact a couple local trainers for suggestions. Thanks for the response.
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003
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Ed is right. Get video evidence that you have a clue in what you are doing with an "invisible leash". Any idiot can strap an e-collar on a dog and say the dog is under control, but you will have to prove it in court. Like Kevin said, it is all bout the language in the ordinance whether you have a chance or not. Good luck.
Generally, the term "at large" means the animal is away the owner's property and not under the supervison of a responsible person. Sending your dog out for a run of the neighborhood would clearly be considered "at large".
I'll ask a friend, a legal research specialist & lawyer, if she can dig up some relevant information. Being able to cite decisions will greatly help your case. You'll probably want to get legal counsel if you really want to fight this.
Get a copy of the ordinance they used to cite you. Sometimes, they will say, "at large" and then specify being on-leash as not "at large".
I've had this same problem while hiking and trail running at state parks. I've been stopped twice and told to leash my dog. Both times I explained that I was using an e-collar and that the dog was under control. Didn't matter. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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I guess they figure the dog is more under your control if the dog is on a flexi lead than the e-collar <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> particularly one with the tee--niny cord.
Kristen Cabe Webboard User Reg: 06-09-2004
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I've had this same problem while hiking and trail running at state parks. I've been stopped twice and told to leash my dog. Both times I explained that I was using an e-collar and that the dog was under control. Didn't matter.
If there is a leash law, then yes, your dog has to be on a hard leash, whether he is perfectly under control off-leash or not. If there ISN'T a leash law, and your dog really IS under control with just the e-collar (which I know is the case with the people on this board, but as it's already been said, any idiot can slap an e-collar on a dog and say he's in control, and that's the case more often than not), then no one has any right to say anything to you for not having him leashed.
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