Chris B. Thompson wrote 09/15/2005 01:22 AM Stuck in Prey Perhaps? #84380 - 09/15/2005 01:22 AM
Chris B. Thompson Webboard User Reg: 07-29-2005 Posts: 2 Loc: Offline	I have a 3 year old GSD out of Czech/German working lines with issues during the guarding phases of the Schutzhund protection routines. After each of the outs, the dog seems to be in a haze for about 5-10 seconds during which time he's frothing, clinching his jaws, sniffing the helper-it's just plain weird. After that, he snaps out of it and guards normally. Everything is fine until the next out, when the process starts again. The grips are great with the dog, the barking has never been fabulous but the dog competes well otherwise. I'd appreciate any suggestions on working/training through this frustrating issue.
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Patrick Hennigan wrote 09/15/2005 08:22 AM Re: Stuck in Prey Perhaps? [Re: Chris B. Thompson ] #84381 - 09/15/2005 08:22 AM
Patrick Hennigan Webboard User Reg: 09-01-2001 Posts: 308 Loc: Boston, MA Offline	Have you had the dog since a pup? Know how he was trained? If so how was the out trained? Pat "Justice" Natz vom Leerburg SchH II 9/9/01 - 7/29/05 I'll meet you at the rainbow bridge...
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Chris B. Thompson wrote 09/15/2005 09:49 AM Re: Stuck in Prey Perhaps? [Re: Patrick Hennigan ] #84382 - 09/15/2005 09:49 AM
Chris B. Thompson Webboard User Reg: 07-29-2005 Posts: 2 Loc: Offline	I've had him since he was eight weeks old. The out was never an issue with this dog. It was taught during prey work by me initially with tugs, balls etc., by a quick flank/snatch/back in prey at the beginning. Then I incorporated an out command during play with the tug when I stood still. Later it translated to an automatic out when the helper stood still. The thing about it is that he displays a similar daze when I play vigorously with him with a tug or ball during obedience. Only happens after he outs the prey item. By immediately putting movement back into the prey item he gives chase. I haven't tried having the helper apply pressure during the funk, that is accept during the reattacks at trial. Which can be ugly by the way.
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