A couple of interesting clips worthy of discussion...

http://www.flurl.com/attachments/2005/Oct/18/FLURL-dot-com-1963-bite_one.wmv


http://www.flurl.com/attachments/2005/Oct/18/FLURL-dot-com-1963-bite_two.wmv

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I thought it was pretty funny. I like watching the clueless try to be cool on T.V. Maybe it's just me but that guy was soooooo going to get bit and just kept pushing. HA HA <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

You know, I'm all for helping abused and neglected dogs to get rehabilitated and found good homes, but why focus all of your time, effort, and money on a dog that's clearly not gonna be okay with everyone (even though this guy pushed his luck both times - both times he was rubbing the side of the dog's head and his ears in a slow, almost uncertain manner). There are hundreds of other dogs with no aggression issues that need good homes too.

Well put Kristen. You could "smell" his fear both times...

Not only was the guy fearful of the dog, both times. But the dog did give warnings to back off both times, the ASPA was not watching for. Are they not trained to know dogs better?
This is a guard dog, both times the guy reached across or to something he was "guarding" first the other dog, 2nd the new handle, who seemed to have the dogs trust as a handler. The man who got bit SHOULD have known better and been able to read that dog better. And he should have known if he had any fear of the dog, the dog would know it, plus the dog would be able to smell the wound from the bite before. This was VERY poor judgement on the ASPA.
Not only that two weeks is hardly long enough to turn a guard dog into a 'love everyones, pet' that is just plain stupid.
The dog needed much better training for sure, but it is a shame they most likely killed him for doing his job.
This kind of stuff happens far too much.

This dog is a fear biter, and these people are considering adopting it out as a pet? Note that the attack was severe the first time; I doubt that this is the dog's first bite. Dogs learn that escalting aggression produces results. Also note that warning (ears pulled back and eyes flickering uncertainly) was less in duration the second time around.

The dog will most likely increase its aggression the closer it bonds with its handler; dogs like this get a boost in confidence when it is on sure turf. Wonder why it was a 'guard dog' to begin with?

Yes, both the handlers showed poor judgment (walking into a kennel with two dogs, leaning over, and rubbing over the head is a bad move). With a dog like this, you need absolute pack authority from the primary handler, and knowlegable limits of the dog.

The likelihood of that happening in very small. There are too many nice dogs out there (even skittish, undersocialized ones) to waste time on an unstable dog.

Maybe it's my lack of experience with protection trained animals (I'm working on that now) but that dog needs to be put down. In both cases, the people involved could have been a little more cautious, but in neither case did the “victim” do anything that was overtly aggressive or threatening in any way nor did the dog give any clear warning signs such as growling or barking or attempts at avoidance. I understand that the dog was guarding his female companion, and in the second clip was guarding his handler. Yes, the “victim” overlooked many of the subtle warning signs. But the man that was bitten was acting just like any ignorant (not stupid, just uninformed or uneducated) person would have around the dog. If the dog reacted that way around him, how could you possibly assume that the dog would go out into a normal home and live a long happy life without biting someone else? I hate to say it, but IMHO, the dog needs to be put down. If a child were ever around that dog, God only knows what would happen and I don’t think you can count on the typical dog adopter to take all of the appropriate measures to ensure that the dog is kept safe and securely.

Hi All, my take on the video is, the they took two dogs they don't know, put them in an strange enclosed area, went over the top of the dogs,and got bit. The dog was showing plenty of warning. In the second video, the dog was really showing signs of a bite, look at him licking his lips and his posture, just like the video clip of the police dog and the news reporter( who got bit in the face ), the first time, the guy made a poor decision, the second time was just stupidity, i mean the dog proved to the guy that he'd bite him, so......... , two of my dogs would probably react the same way in the same situation if i wasn't there, they're just not very social, doesn't mean they're bad dogs, in both cases if the guy wasn't petting him, he wouldn't have bitten him, the guy didn't even know the dog, maybe he figured he got over the "biting thing" in two weeks, jmo, AL
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I clicked on the links in the original post and both came up with some type of porn site- it definitly wasn't Animal Planet..what happened?
Thanks, Carolmartine