Are the stim levels consistant between manufacturer models given different battery sizes?

For instance, does a level 30 on a Dogtra 200NCP give the same stim (output) as a level 30 on a Dogtra 1100NC, 1200 series etc.?

I don't know the answer to that. i'm sure someone on the board can help you with that info. But in my opinion, the focus should be on the dogs response to the stimulation and not on the dial numbers.

Agreed, also working level will change vary some day to day and with training situation and level of distraction. Adjust as needed

Kurt,
To answer your question posed, yes, they are consistant with stim level and number.

Unless one has electrical equipment to measure stimulation we cant know the answer. With this said my guess is the answer is "NO" - different companies have different levels.

With this said you need to determine what level works on YOUR dog for the specific collar you use and DONT USE A CHEAP COLLAR - I recommend sticking with Innotek, Tri Tronic or Dogtra. Cheap collars do not produce consistent stimulation every time they are used. This will cause confusion with the dog.

Ed,
I was under the impression he was talking about between the dogtra 200 and the dogtra 1100. different models from the same manufacturer. I had a buddy who wondered the same thing. He happen to be an electrician and we did test the output on both models fully charged and the reading was right about the same. I certainly agree comparing different manufacturers levels is a guess to me and probably not the same, as a guess.

Chris - Yep, I was looking for the actual output levels between each model from one specific manufacture i.e. Dogtra 200NCP vs 1100NC vs 1200 vs 2000 etc.

I'm not an electrician either but I was thinking that with different battery sizes there may be a difference in the output. It must be the "top end" and range they are speaking about the low-med power models vs low-high power models.

The working level we had figured out for Riddick was about a 35 at rest. I thought it seemed a little high and that maybe, because a Dogtra 200NCP is considered a low-med unit, that the battery may have made a difference in the output.

As Scott said, I shouldn't be so concerned with the numbers as opposed to the responses I get as Riddick is a fairly hard dog to begin with.

Ed, I've already got the working level set and I do have a Dogtra collar. I bought it from you. Don't you remember?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Ed's comment:

I missed the fact you were asking about two models of Dogtra - sorry - wish I could say I remembered selling you a collar but I dont see all the orders - I bet my secretaries remember though :-)

Think of the battery as the fuel tank for the engine. No matter how big your fuel tank is, your car only goes as fast as the engine will drive it.

A bigger battery means that you have longer to the next recharge. A smaller battery allows a more compact, lighter weight package.

The circuits inside the e-collar take the DC voltage from the battery and auto-magically pump it up to a high voltage, low-amperage charge. Without tearing mine apart, I suspect the stimulation level is set by circuits that limit how much of the charge is released from the storage capacitor. Something like the controls on a camera flash.

The battery voltage partially determines recharge time between corrections -- a lower voltage will increase the time between a full discharge corrections. The battery capacity -- milliamp-hours, determines how often you can use the device before you need to recharge the battery. Battery capacity is physically related to battery volume. The more electrolyte you can stuff into the container, the more charge you can hold. Again, the useful analogy is a fuel tank.

I have a 12-month old male GSD I trained myself, verbal and hand signals included. I sent him to a place--I thought--was good. The place, Oregon Retrievers (http://www.oregonretrievers.com/training.html), did NOT do what was promised. They say they train all breeds. I never see the owners/trainers training my dog as promised, only their first-time dog trainer assistant doing it. The owner said she hurt her neck and can't do it. I watched them lie to a lab puppy buyer. I've never seen their pups socialized since I've been there, and when they threw a pigeon w/ clipped wings in front of their lab puppy to show the customer their dogs are automatically bird dogs b/c look...the pup is chasing it as it flaps on the ground. Ofcourse th pup will chase it...so would any pup, really. My dog tried to attack that pigeon.

Anywho, I need him to be proofed. It has to be a boarding program b/c there are no good places in southern Oregon that I've found. I would appreciate your input.

Have a nice day!

Kim Orta,
While we are all glad to be warned with your personal experience, and I sympathize, I am left wondering What in the world does that have to do with E-collar stim levels in various models? That should have been put in a seperate lone post in the correct forum. The mods are strict on that stuff. So I thought I'd give you a friendly warning, for the most part stay on topic and post under the correct forum, yours would go under the con artist and crooked dog kennels forum in the Main index. Welcome