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#89941 - 11/20/2005 07:11 PM |
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I am new to this forum and to dog training. I have a 2 1/2 year old gsd that I have had for 6 mos. We have completed basic obedience class and he is doing quite well however when he sees another dog he ignores my commands and runs after them. So far when he reaches them they just do the requisite butt sniffing and circling and then he just plays.My question, is there a difference between enthusiasm and aggression and if so would there be a difference in the type of correction needed to make him listen?
Ed, thankyou for such an informative forum after much searching and asking questions finally a place to escape the bullshit I ve heard from most of the would be experts I ve asked.
Rick
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Re: aggression?
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#89942 - 11/20/2005 07:34 PM |
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WHY is a dog who is ignoring your commands allowed to be offlead (I presume he is offlead if he runs after the other dog)
I would be EXTREMELY angry with you if I was out and your dog ran up to my dog regardless of whether or not he was friendly. One of my dogs would not tolerate that either and your dog may learn that not all dogs are friendly and want to play.
I would have him on lead and give him an obedience command when you see another dog - such as sit or heel (down may be too intimidating). If he breaks the command, he is corrected for that. He does not sound aggressive by your description.
You don't want him to associate corrections with wanting to go to the other dogs but with breaking an obedience command.
I am sure others with more experience dog training will correct me if I am wrong in the 3rd paragraph. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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#89943 - 11/20/2005 07:53 PM |
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Oh Rick -
I am afraid Nancy has a very good point, your dog would be my worst nightmare....my dog a Pit Bull, has dog aggression issues, and we are working them, but a loose dog running up in her face would be quite a challange for her and I... Please seek some help...and lord knows this forum is full of great stuff!!!!!!
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#89944 - 11/20/2005 07:57 PM |
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.....when he sees another dog he ignores my commands and runs after them. .......is there a difference between enthusiasm and aggression and if so would there be a difference in the type of correction needed to make him listen?
I'm pretty sure you are just saying that your dog's training fails under distraction -- right?
How come your dog in not on a leash? He should never be off-lead outside until he obeys your commands under distraction, IMO.
Here's a thread that addressed this issue. It was about a different breed, but it's the same issue: Basic obedience. Robert VanCamp and others fully answered the question.
http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/showf...rue#Post4153132
It's the made-to-order thread for you, I think. Good luck!
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#89945 - 11/20/2005 07:59 PM |
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I was trying to be brief. He is not off leash unless the other dog owmer has agreed that I may let him go. I always make a point of letting the other owner know It may be risky luckily ther have been no bad incedents. He gets a stiff (level 10) correction with his prong collar every time he does this which usually makes him sit and vocalize but he exibits the same behavior the next time he sees another dog. I have gotten other owners to let him approach off leash in the hope it would desensitise him. I am reluctant to follow thru with any other corrections until I am sure I am understanding the behavior and responding appropriately thus my post.
thankyou for your response, Rick
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#89946 - 11/20/2005 08:11 PM |
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Connie thanks, The other thing I didnt mention was that he didnt do this during obedience class. Do we go back for more obedience? is this aggression? Does it matter as far as approach? Im not sure the other post answers my question
Thanks for your reply. Rick
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#89947 - 11/20/2005 08:31 PM |
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Connie thanks, The other thing I didnt mention was that he didnt do this during obedience class.
From your post, I saw this as a matter of basic obedience. There was no lunging or growling or anything mentioned, except running up and butt-sniffing, right? But (1) That can get him and you into big trouble, and (2) He is not obeying your commands.
QUOTE: Do we go back for more obedience? END
Yes! If you don't feel confident yet to continue on your own with the same training until he's obeying you every time, then yes. Basic obedience training is successful when the dog always obeys you --- not when the dog obeys you if he feels like it and isn't distracted by something more interesting.
This question is within my level of experience and knowledge, IMHO, but there are MUCH higher-level trainers on this board than I am (a whole bunch of them), so stay tuned for more/better answers! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
P.S. Do you have, and have you studied, Ed Frawley's video on basic obedience? If not, it would be a huge enhancement to what you've already learned at your classes.
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#89948 - 11/21/2005 07:56 AM |
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I would work the dog in obedience for the rest of his life - I don't care how perfect he is - you work a dog to keep his mind fresh, there is no magical point where you say "OK the dog's trained, I can stop obedience work now" - everytime you are able to correct a dog and give him a command, you are training. Anytime he disobeys you correct him for disobedience. He could be 5 years old and I would still work obedience with him, the difference between a young dog and a 5 year old that knows it all is the amount of corrections given, hopefully the 5 year old doesn't need corrections, but you are still training.
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#89949 - 11/21/2005 11:28 AM |
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He gets a stiff (level 10) correction with his prong collar every time he does this
So, if I've got this straight...he is getting a "level 10" prong collar correction for something you aren't even sure is aggression? What if you are correcting him for perfectly adequate and appropriate dog-communication? What happens then?
I suggest hiring a professional to come work with you and your dog.
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#89950 - 11/21/2005 12:13 PM |
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I would work the dog in obedience for the rest of his life - I don't care how perfect he is - you work a dog to keep his mind fresh, there is no magical point where you say "OK the dog's trained, I can stop obedience work now" - everytime you are able to correct a dog and give him a command, you are training. Anytime he disobeys you correct him for disobedience. .....
I couldn't agree more. I hope I didn't give some other idea! But besides that, I was suggesting that the handler/owner himself might need more basic training (more of the classes they attended, and/or Ed Frawley's video).
But excellent point, Mike.
I had sent a PM about the correcting for aggression before I saw the initial poster's second message. I should've kept it all in one post.
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