 Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#285001 - 07/15/2010 12:02 PM |
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They added new tracking titles to Schutzhund recently... the off-leash area article search thing...
It has a name, that I cannot recall at the moment.
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#285040 - 07/15/2010 03:19 PM |
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With that said, you could simply use basic obedience with her and work outside when the witch is also out (if possible). Start at the other side of the yard if possible and give her something fun to do. Then move closer. Yummy treats, fun, praise, etc... Let her figure out that fun stuff happens when the witch is outside.
Barbara, I thought this was a great suggestion and approach. Desensitization is desensitization, whether it's other dogs that freak your dog, or the b...I mean witch next door.
It is unbelieveable to me the liberties some people will take with other people's animals. If they can. Thus, I'm just a stickler about supervision...always.
leih
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
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#285060 - 07/15/2010 05:17 PM |
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Jeremy, you really need to learn the difference between the show and working lines. its not just temperament. there are plenty of variations of working ability and drive within the working lines. I'm hesitant to believe what she told you - but maybe its' true, her dogs were too much to handle? I'm having the opposite problem. Can't find serious working dogs w/in the working dog group - too many amateurs breeding them. my trainer says most people don't know what they have, and even if they do, it's still a crap shoot as someone said. But I'd rather go w/ someone who really knows what they have and works at it, than w/ someone who goes off bloodlines and pre-made dogs and sells a bunch of pets.
So, to sum up, there are plenty of working lines that are "dumbed down" for your average pet owner. The show-line people don't want you to know this. and the working line people don't either. LOL.
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
[Re: Donna J. DeYoung ]
#285068 - 07/15/2010 06:05 PM |
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i agree. im will be visiting her kennel again here shortly and i will get to see her dogs in action. I have seen them some...but its been over a year since ive been there. After talking to you great people i have a better idea of what to look for. If i dont think her dogs will work i will not get one. I will also get to see the first litter from the stud dog she is using outside of her kennel. i will keep close tabs on them. As of right now im open minded and will observe her dogs very close and also i will be talking to the club....if they ever call me back... One dog i was wanting a pup from in the past was Xach. i have seen him in action and when i was doing some training with my pup there i got to see him also. He seemed like a great dog...but i will wait until i go back to make any decisions, as for now i know what to look for...then, i knew nothing at all. I will agree with her on the part that i dont want a hardcore dog at this point...if that makes any sense..
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
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#285072 - 07/15/2010 06:11 PM |
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I will look into this. i would love to get my female titled for something. After waiting over a year on her papers....that...the breeder didnt even know what dog i bought from her...so are the papers correct?....i doubt it. i never did turn them in. I still can. i have it filed in my cabinet, but would it be worth it, or does it matter? I wasnt for sure if your dog had to be registered before working on a title. Really that is something i should do with my female and it will make things with my next dog in the future go a little smoother. Her hips will never pass, so i wont even try.
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
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#285075 - 07/15/2010 06:29 PM |
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it makes perfect sense not to want a hardcore dog - you have to start somewhere - and an easier to handle dog can be a good one to learn with. As long as you realize if you get serious in the sport you may want "more dog" later on - and can your household handle more dogs? I know mine can 
personally, I know I have to be trained first, then the dog. But I quickly outgrew the dog I had gotten to learn w/. I hadn't expected that!
Going to the clubs is very important. you'll see the variety there - some good, some not too good. and you might be able to see some come in for evaluations and hear what is said about them.
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
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#285078 - 07/15/2010 06:43 PM |
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i would love to get my female titled for something. i never did turn them in. I still can. i have it filed in my cabinet, but would it be worth it, or does it matter? I wasnt for sure if your dog had to be registered before working on a title.
It depends on what title and which venue. If you want to compete in the AKC arena, let's say, for Rally obedience or obedience, then yes, she'd need to be registered. UKC requires registration, too.
I am not that familiar with flyball, but I doubt she'd need registration for that. There are agility venues that don't require registration, etc.
With SchH, I forget. I registered my GSD with AKC as well as the USA and UKC.
It's very simple to contact a given group and ask them what they require. Also, why not register her, as long as you have the papers?
leih
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
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#285110 - 07/15/2010 08:16 PM |
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leih the reason i didnt was because since the papers were so late they wanted ;ike 35 extra since i missed a deadline of some sort...lol....yeah i know its only 35....but it was a breeder issue...but i will go ahead and send them in. im hoping that my household can handle another dog...thats my BIGGEST fear out of it all.....1 year old son. 2 year old GSD, 2 year old shitzu......should be interesting
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
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#285119 - 07/15/2010 08:47 PM |
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Jeremy,
One of the MANY things I've learned since coming to Leerburg is that within any given litter of a GOOD working line breeding will be pups with crazy intense drive, intense drive and moderate drive. Just because a pup is from a working line does not mean it is going to be a hard, intense dog to handle. I completely understand your desire to not start with an intense dog; you want one you can learn on, make your mistakes on and not get eaten, and one which can be a family dog. That can be had within most breedings of working line dogs. The right breeder will know the pups and will be able to recommend the right pup. If not in that litter, in another.
You are doing the right thing in all of your research. Once you start visiting Schutzhund clubs and breeders of working line dogs, you might get a different perspective than from this one breeder.
The longer we purchase showline dogs, the longer the GSD will be diluted.
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Re: new GSD puppy...show line / working line questio
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#285136 - 07/15/2010 10:17 PM |
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i agree.......German Shepherds were made for working....and thats the way he always wanted it.....whatever his name is...lol
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