Mr Finley said;
"I have owned individual dogs of both "so called lines" and both were excellent dogs".
Now I'M the confused one. Now your saying you have owned individual dogs of both. They are the same or they aren't?
Would you put up the pedigrees of both these dogs please? I'm certainly curious now.
All working line dogs and some really nice ones in there also.
The mystery continues! Where are the show line dogs that compare to these dogs? Why haven't any of them made their mark on the competition trial field as many in those working lines have?
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Quote: Bob Scott
All working line dogs and some really nice ones in there also.
The mystery continues! Where are the show line dogs that compare to these dogs? Why haven't any of them made their mark on the competition trial field as many in those working lines have?
Silly Bob, competition fields aren't real work, remember? They don't say anything about the working capabilities of dogs according to Charles.
If you have a dog that works you have a working dog, but he may not be from working bloodlines. Working dog and working line are not the same thing nor are they interchangeable.
Exactly. I also find the way different countries and/or dog organizations categorize working dogs to be very interesting!
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Lee, I own and have read the book. Stephanitz never talks about working his own dogs, ever. Because he never did.
People have been doing it the Stephanitz way for years and IMO it's not going so well.
Because he never mentions working his dogs does not mean that is the case. It certainly may be true, but how would we know? I don't assume people never did something simply because they didn't tell me that they did.
I think the man did an amazing job of creating the blueprint for the breed of dog that I have and will continue to enjoy so much. I also tend to trust Leerburg, who sells his book, and Ed who quotes Stephanitz on his website in several areas, including how to select a breeder.
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No one has told me as yet how to define a "working" or "show" line dog. I think the reason is that it is purely arbitrary and not based on any science other than personal preference. The SV does not recognize the distinction. It is the exact same mind set concerning "working" and "show" line that leads racists to say that blacks are good at track because the lions chased them around in Africa (natural slection don't you know?). Selection for appearance and conformation has occured in all GSD and I am not aware of any group that selects against athleticism or sport dog abilities.
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You haven't accepted any input. The only opinion you are accepting as valid is your own and you seem to believe yourself the final arbiter of defining the term - so why would anyone bother?
Give a list of criteria that you would NOT dismiss and maybe someone will humor you. Though why it's the general public's responsibility to convince one person of an otherwise accepted truth is beyond me. As Bob has stated, working lines as defined by the breeders perform better at the bred-for behaviors than show lines and this shows in trial. It's not even about GSD at this point, but about you refusing to accept any input that does not originate from whatever authority you personally recognize.
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