Quote: Candi Campbell

 Quote: Willie Tilton

Please remember to call me before you do the test. The volhard test as it is written is not appropriate to give to your dog and I'm not sure that having a stranger administer it is a good idea. I don't think it is.
That is why I wanted you to call so we could go over it. If our give the original test to her I can guarantee that it won't go well an someone might get hurt.
I look forward to your call.

I strongly agree that some stranger performing the Volhard Test on this dog is quite inappropriate -- It could even end up badly if the owner tried doing so, at this stage of the game...

Just speaking of Akita lore, there are many horror stories from back in the day, about owners handing their 6 month old dog's leash to experienced instructors at reputable obedience schools (not "Petsmart" or "yank & crank") only to have the lesson demonstration result in a terrible biting incident

After talking to Willie today on skype I understand the reason why I have to do it myself....when the test done by a stranger the breeder determine if the dog is suitable for a family and what kind of family or not. In this case we need to determine if she is staying or not....I mean that the test will influence our decision. We won't base our decision totaly on that test as there are other things to consider and the test is only to give some kind of guidelines. However, I may be wrong but I do or did some of these things already in our daily routine without knowing it and I think Ican anticipate what will be her reaction for some. for instence she met the ambrella today as it is raining and we had to go for walks....pfffff all was cool.....And you know what? we minght all be pleased with the outcome.

Here is my glass half full again lol

I'll keep you posted

I am off to watch the Game of Thrones....so see you tomorrow....will check any new posting tomorrow with coffee lol

keep well everyone

 Quote: Solange Boivin

 Quote: Candi Campbell

 Quote: Willie Tilton

Please remember to call me before you do the test. The volhard test as it is written is not appropriate to give to your dog and I'm not sure that having a stranger administer it is a good idea. I don't think it is.
That is why I wanted you to call so we could go over it. If our give the original test to her I can guarantee that it won't go well an someone might get hurt.
I look forward to your call.

I strongly agree that some stranger performing the Volhard Test on this dog is quite inappropriate -- It could even end up badly if the owner tried doing so, at this stage of the game...

Just speaking of Akita lore, there are many horror stories from back in the day, about owners handing their 6 month old dog's leash to experienced instructors at reputable obedience schools (not "Petsmart" or "yank & crank") only to have the lesson demonstration result in a terrible biting incident

After talking to Willie today on skype I understand the reason why I have to do it myself....when the test done by a stranger the breeder determine if the dog is suitable for a family and what kind of family or not. In this case we need to determine if she is staying or not....I mean that the test will influence our decision. We won't base our decision totaly on that test as there are other things to consider and the test is only to give some kind of guidelines. However, I may be wrong but I do or did some of these things already in our daily routine without knowing it and I think Ican anticipate what will be her reaction for some. for instence she met the ambrella today as it is raining and we had to go for walks....pfffff all was cool.....And you know what? we minght all be pleased with the outcome.

Here is my glass half full again lol

I'll keep you posted

I am off to watch the Game of Thrones....so see you tomorrow....will check any new posting tomorrow with coffee lol

keep well everyone

Solange, we are keeping our fingers & paws crossed for you -- Please know that I am concerned for your own safety too...

Performing the Volhard Test on a weanling whelp is one thing , but subjecting a 5-6 month old Kuvasz that has already been displaying Dominance-Aggression toward you could possibly result in a trip to the human hospital Emergency Room , if you happen to make the wrong mistake with her

Just be careful -- Watch out for warning signs that she is about to correct you for becoming too invasive or pushy with her ... Please do not force your bitch to do anything on this temperament test that she resents & resists ... Being nipped by a 7 week old puppy is one thing, but getting seriously bitten by a half-grown LGB is something you do not want to risk!

While I am in favor of looking on the bright side, I am also a firm believer in Better Safe Than Sorry

I second the caution warnings.
Solange and I talked at length about the modified version of the test that I use and went through how to administer it step by step to include the way the dog has been acting thus far and how to score it.
The test is modified in such a way to maximize saftey for Solange, but I made it clear that there is risk involved.
I can't tell what will happen for sure, but after skyping for over an hour with Solange and getting "the rest of the story" so to speak , I don't think that there will be a significant saftey risk.
She is well aware of the risks and will have a friend there with her videotaping.
She has a good feel for body language warnings.
Solange rightly so wants to reach a decision in the next week about keeping the dog.
The test results and video will help tremendously in reaching that decision as well as the way the dog handles the boot camp.
It is still early to tell for sure, and difficult with me being here in the USA, but I think the dog will end up scoring 2s to 3s with some ones. I think she has strong nerves with a high prey drive and a dominant personality.

 Quote: Willie Tilton

I second the caution warnings.
Solange and I talked at length about the modified version of the test that I use and went through how to administer it step by step to include the way the dog has been acting thus far and how to score it.
The test is modified in such a way to maximize saftey for Solange, but I made it clear that there is risk involved.
I can't tell what will happen for sure, but after skyping for over an hour with Solange and getting "the rest of the story" so to speak , I don't think that there will be a significant saftey risk.
She is well aware of the risks and will have a friend there with her videotaping.
She has a good feel for body language warnings.
Solange rightly so wants to reach a decision in the next week about keeping the dog.
The test results and video will help tremendously in reaching that decision as well as the way the dog handles the boot camp.
It is still early to tell for sure, and difficult with me being here in the USA, but I think the dog will end up scoring 2s to 3s with some ones. I think she has strong nerves with a high prey drive and a dominant personality.

Thank you very much for all these detailed reassuring messages here, Willie -- I have a great deal of faith in your experienced ability to guide Solange through this process, and in her willingness to act on your expert advice ... Maybe I worry too much, but I've watched so many disasters unfold via chat-boards, that I'm ever mindful of lurkers who need to be reminded "not to try this at home without hands-on professional supervision" (yada-yada-yada).

Anyway, thanks again, Willie!

 Quote: Solange Boivin

Hello

Here is my first post; Any one has experience with a Kuvasz Puppy? Ziva is 5 months and is a hard dog and I am looking for tips to how stop the bitting, jumping, and dominance tendencies. Many thanks

I have had rescued Pyr's. Took in a Kuvasz for several months as a rehome. My friend has Pyr's & Kuvasz.

Laid back, low prey drive,and great around kids has been my experience. Big talkers when something/someone gets near their turf. Masters at escaping.

Solange, Best of luck with Ziva pup.

Hello every body

Ziva has shown in the past that she could be very good and change her mind without any apparent reason. (I am thinking about her food issues and how after hand feeding her for 4 weeks and that she showed to be calm and even licking my hands when she had finised and the episode of 3 days ago) But for all that is worth she never greeted me with a lot of excitment....she showed being happy to see me but more calmly than she would great my husband that she sees on weekends only or my step-son that comes every second weekends or any strangers coming over lol....but this morning I got a party greetings......It was hard not to show any kind of respond God knows I wanted to pett her and share that joy with her but I had to stay cold and show no interest to her happy behavior. I took her for a little walk heel/sit in front of the house before givine her her breaky and she was all eyes on me and coming to a sit like a hilgly trained obedient dog lol.....the 3 days in boot camp might start to make their fruits after all.....let see how the saga continues lol

As for the safety warning from board users....I thank you for your concern...I am aware of those risks and won't take any chances if I see that with her body language I might be facing a negative reaction. I'll be all eyes and will comunicate a calm and reasuring behavior myself. She has not shown aggressiveness in the past that were not triggered by a third element by that I mean not from me per say but, the excitment with the neighbour's dog transfered to the line and redirected at me that had the line in hands, or her strong drive to protect the food. Or me persisting for her to comply and not using the right method. Beside that Ziva never showed being aggressive just because....So I think I will be able to avoid any unwanted reaction that could lead to bitting. Her bitting so far were strong warnings but not to attentionaly hurt me. I hope my words are clear, I am still a bit sleepy, just woke up not long ago lol

Now on day 3 in boot camp, as soon as we come in from either potty or walk she leads me to the crate I have barely the time to unleash her before she gets in. But I think is the nice treat that she gets now to go in lol.....She is difinitely food driven lol

Ok well thanks again, got to do some home work as Willie asked me to do stuff before the test and some reading and taking notes. I am trying to be a good student lol

Thanks everybody, I am repeating myself but I do not feel alone in this journey anymore and what a load off my shoulder that makes.....it proves that distance does not matter.

au revoir
Solange

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