 Re: A Dumb Question on Working vs. Show lines
[Re: Katie Finlay ]
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Steve, your stalking skills are quite impressive 
Jenni, I think I understand what you're saying! And I think this:
" I would say that if you had both long and short hairs in the house, the long hair would SEEM mellower, however, when pushed, they are NOT mellower in terms of aggression. On the contrary, actually. However, if you never put them under that kind of pressure, it's possible that you could go on believing they ARE truly mellower."
is what Connie was looking for.
So, what I'm getting from all of this is that coated dogs are generally calmer when not working than their shorter coated relations. Is that right? Cause I'm pretty confused now too 
Depends on what kind of work. A guide dog could be working hard and be intent on his job, and still be calm. Then again, I guess a dog could be actively protecting, and still be calm. I've known some PDs like that.
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Re: A Dumb Question on Working vs. Show lines
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Could it be that part of the difference, at least in some breeds (i.e. collies) would be due to the original jobs the dogs performed?
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Re: A Dumb Question on Working vs. Show lines
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Could it be that part of the difference, at least in some breeds (i.e. collies) would be due to the original jobs the dogs performed?
Could be. I think that would go along with people who select for one trait selecting for the other. Such as the knowledge that smooths were first a droving dogs might make someone who chose to breed them select for the traits that go with that original job.
I think the differences are most likely due to a combination of the possibilities I've mentioned, and maybe others I never thought of.
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Re: A Dumb Question on Working vs. Show lines
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Could it be that part of the difference, at least in some breeds (i.e. collies) would be due to the original jobs the dogs performed?
Border Collies come in rough and smooth coats and everything in between. They are bred exclusively for work not for looks. There is no differences in working ability or drives between the two types of coats. Yes, different people prefer different coats, but they will take ability to work over coat length any day.
Which would leave me to believe that in similar breeds, such as collies, the coat length is based in breeding for a look, not a type.
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Re: A Dumb Question on Working vs. Show lines
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So Joy, I'm just a little curious and I have a feeling that others are too...what's the deal? Are you/were you a guide dog breeder? If not, and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, what's up with the multiple submissions in various places attesting to your status as a breeder?
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Re: A Dumb Question on Working vs. Show lines
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So Joy, I'm just a little curious and I have a feeling that others are too...what's the deal? Are you/were you a guide dog breeder? If not, and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, what's up with the multiple submissions in various places attesting to your status as a breeder?
I have never been a breeder, nor do I know how such an assertion came to be under my name. And you say there are multiple submissions? I only posted to K9 a couple of times ever, and haven't even looked at the mag for months. So unless there is someone else with the same name, I really don't know.
I have always claimed to be a trainer (most especially a guide dog trainer) and to deal in behavior issues. I have an interest in genetics, and once considered breeding, but have never bred a litter, though have raised litters when I've either rescued a pregnant bitch or done so as a favor to someone.
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Re: A Dumb Question on Working vs. Show lines
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#259115 - 12/09/2009 11:41 PM |
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Could it be that part of the difference, at least in some breeds (i.e. collies) would be due to the original jobs the dogs performed?
Border Collies come in rough and smooth coats and everything in between. They are bred exclusively for work not for looks. There is no differences in working ability or drives between the two types of coats. Yes, different people prefer different coats, but they will take ability to work over coat length any day.
Which would leave me to believe that in similar breeds, such as collies, the coat length is based in breeding for a look, not a type.
I understand where you're coming from but remember originally smooth and rough collies developed in different parts of the UK and were developed for different work purposes, smooths for driving cattle and roughs for herding and protecting sheep. The roughs, being in the Scottish Highlands required a different coat than the smooths who were primarily in the lowland border country. Now, today of course, both varieties, with some exceptions, are bred primarily for their looks and not working ability.
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