 Re: RE: question: getting my dog fixed/trainer advice
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#296042 - 09/12/2010 01:50 PM |
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Re: RE: question: getting my dog fixed/trainer advice
[Re: Kelly Byrd ]
#296043 - 09/12/2010 01:53 PM |
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Guys... we are shattered right now.
To have our sig line made fun of in such a public, humiliating manner by a member new to the forum who has no understanding of our tragig past... no grasp of the level of pain and anquish we experienced upon realizing I had bought a SHOWLINE dog instead of a WORKING LINE dog, the humiliaton, the shame, the deep shame we endured. The fun poked at Falcon's beautiful red, henna-like coloration alone would have made a lesser member resign from the forum... head hung in shame.
But NO! We rose above the humiliation! We learned to LOVE Falcon's stunning red color and became, dare I say, PROUD of being different from all the other sable, black, sable and black, black and sable dogs on the forum!
We came so far. Only to be crushed by one cold, cruel, third-gradish comment.
Deep sigh. Such a sad tale (tail). 
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Re: question: getting my dog fixed/trainer advice
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#296044 - 09/12/2010 01:55 PM |
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May I ask what you teach, Steve? Yes, I teach basic obedience classes, I train dogs to out of sight fencing, I help owners with problem behaviors which I've had lots of success with aggression cases. I board dogs, I work with a successful doggie daycare, I work with rescues, I help out in the shelters. Basic stuff Steve. Basic stuff. Let me repeat that 100 times. So, may I ask what you teach? I mean this without sarcasm. Thank you all for the website reviews. As much as you meant to be horribly mean, you've been a help. I will re-word some things and move things around. So any other issues please continue to say with the utmost sarcasm and critism and bashing. I will try to read something positive about it.
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Jeannie Oakley ]
#296045 - 09/12/2010 01:55 PM |
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Wow Will. You know what... You win.... I have a very successful business, never claimed to be as experienced as you. No need to answer your questions, it just throws more fuel on your fire. So.. Will... you can scratch another stick figure off your bulletin board under "trainers who aren't as perfect as you" put a big "I WIN" sign there and be happy with yourself. I won't mention you, you don't mention me. I'm sure the forum will be happy with it. Go celebrate with your perfect self.
Jeannie, you just don't get it - this has *nothing* to do about winning, or about me , that's just your wounded ego talking.
This is about protecting a poster here ( mike ) from the 3rd rate advice given by a substandard wannabe dog trainer ( that's you ) that gained her non-existent expertise through the mail!
And feel free not to mention me,Jeannie, but we'll be using you as an example of what to avoid for many years to come! 
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Re: RE: question: getting my dog fixed/trainer advice
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#296046 - 09/12/2010 01:57 PM |
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Crikes, did I just call your boy a girl?? really sorry! when my now 24 year old son was a toddler he had a halo of blonde curls and massive blue eyes, and I was always put out when people told me what a beautiful GIRL I had! Soz 
Only adds to our already heavy burden... If he had any and could have "gotten it up" - he wouldn't be able to after today. Ruff.
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Re: RE: question: getting my dog fixed/trainer advice
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#296047 - 09/12/2010 01:59 PM |
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Only adds to our already heavy burden... If he had any and could have "gotten it up" - he wouldn't be able to after today. Ruff.
ROFL! Poor Falcon.... we love him cause he's Purty though!
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Re: question about geting my dog fixed
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#296048 - 09/12/2010 02:06 PM |
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Through the mail? What is through the mail? And you too Will,, will be my example of a pompous angry man stuck on himself trainer who thinks he is better than ANYONE who is less experienced as he. You will be a prime example for years to come. No need to comment. I already said you win. Victory to you.
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RE: question: getting my dog fixed/trainer advice
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#296050 - 09/12/2010 02:08 PM |
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This is about protecting a poster here ( mike ) from the 3rd rate advice given by a substandard wannabe dog trainer ( that's you ) that gained her non-existent expertise through the mail!
I take it back.. PLEASE comment on "through the mail", PLEASE! I need to hear this one.
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RE: question: getting my dog fixed/trainer advice
[Re: Jeannie Oakley ]
#296051 - 09/12/2010 02:10 PM |
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I could not help but comment on this discussion seeing it involves me. As I looked at your profile, I see nothing that states you are a dog trainer or behaviorist. It is extremely unprofessional of you to make a judgement call on a case study on aggression you know nothing about. Since you didn't ask ANY questions regarding this case let me bring you up to speed..
I feel like I'm late to this party. It's been a busy weekend around here but since I was addressed by name I thought I'd take a minute to answer back.
You're right. I'm not a behaviorist, or a "professional dog trainer". Truth be told I'm not much of a dog trainer nor do I claim to me, that is the main difference between you and I. There are far, FAR more talented individuals on this board in the realm of dog training than I am. But you see... for the context of this discussion that DOES NOT matter. This song isn't about me and my qualifications, it's about YOU and what makes YOU qualified to give advice about anything involving a client's plan for their dog.
In my opinion people in this world should have to justify their opinions either with experience or by citing a reputable source for that opinion. I do this with my doctor, my vet, my teachers, and yes, with people I seek dog advise from. So when the OP brought up the statement that the trainer told them to have their dog neutered and what we thought of it I asked the two most important questions "What reasons were given, and was the person qualified to give that advise?" No judgment at that point involved.
So the followup to that question brought up your name so I tried to find what made YOU qualified to supply advise related to dogs. So I checked your credentials and what you apparently had learned. I saw no coursework in animal behavior but I did see a lot related to rescue which is fine but not a qualification toward behavior modification or training, and a week long section in your school related to aggression. I never said even beyond that you weren't qualified to make that judgment, I just questioned your qualifications to make that judgment. There is a difference.
I do hope you stick around. Even if we disagree there is value to the discussion as we examine the thought.
Cheers y'all,
Melissa
~unemployed dog groomer and part time pooper scooper since 2005 LLC~
Thank you Melissa,
Thank you for an adult response. Of the one post I thought would not, you did. My apologies to you.
I really don't want an apology, this isn't a thread about me and my feelings. I want to know what makes you think you're qualified to give the advice you did. If there is something beyond what's on your webpage that would give your resume more clout than a random person with a library card and a correspondence course I'd love to hear it and the justification for neutering this dog.
Anyone, and I do mean anyone can put a shingle out and call themselves a dog trainer or behaviorist. Few have backgrounds that would actually qualify them to work with a dog with aggression issues or real temperament flares. Most pet trainers IMO are skilled enough for instructing on how clickers work and typical lure and reward training and that's about it.
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Re: question: getting my dog fixed/trainer advice
[Re: Jeannie Oakley ]
#296053 - 09/12/2010 02:16 PM |
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I don't teach anything. I just own dogs, and like other forum members if there's something I've experienced in the years I've had dogs, I try to share it with other members.
What you're missing Jeannie is that what would make you a good trainer has nothing to do with your associations or that online course.Those are looked at as scams to suck in customers by a lot of us that know how uncomplicated what your teaching really is. Weigh in with some of the topics and share some experience.
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