Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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.... I never even heard of Dog Chat. I certainly did not write that article, and disagree with what it says as well.
I (and many others here who read this and other statements elsewhere about being a breeder and/or a guide dog breeder by "Joy van Veen") readily assumed that it was you.
But if you definitively did not write this in DogChat:
"As a dog breeder since the 1960s who has trained close to 3,000 dogs..."
... then that to me smacks of deliberate impersonation.
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007
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I am a guide dog breeder and have found acquiring GSDs that meet my guide dog criteria harder and harder to find. I agree with this article.
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I don’t breed GSDs. I search for suitable pups from breeders. I keep and train the one or two pups at a time in my home until they are at least 18 months; or I have the pups come to me from a puppy raiser or owner who has raised the pup under my specifications at 8 to 10 months of age to remain with me for the remainder of the training until at least 18 months of age.
These were both Joy's statements from that K9 magazine. She does specifically say in the 2nd post that she does not breed GSD's. Perhaps it was an unintentional error in the first post...
By the way, DogChat is part of K9 magazine. Curiouser and curiouser...
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007
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... is there blood in the water or something?
Perhaps it is the decay smell of what was a pretty good topic?
Maybe I'm asking a lot because the moderators seem good with this mutation of conversation but couldn't questions about Joy's qualifications, experience, shoe size, whatever can be put in another topic or a pm?
Edited by Melissa Thom (12/10/2009 01:39 PM)
Edit reason: perhaps I used perhaps a bit much
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I did my own gogle search this morning and saw more than one dog chat item with my name on it. As far as I could tell, it appears to be a combination of pieces of things I have said on other forums, including servicedogcentral, and portions of someone elses statements. As the one linked here was written, no I did not write that! But some of what is in it seems to be my words taken out of context. And another dog chat one, has things I never said mixed with things I said on servicedogcentral; which they have no right to.
As I seem to be the instigator of the long hair/puffy coat tied to the over all well being of a breed tangent this thread has taken..............
I still feel that original question is still up in the air.
So for the breeders that have breeds that 'spontaneously' blossom an off coat, do you really want to get rid of that odd pup? For good? Everyone of your dogs carry that gene for good, bad or indifferent.
And for the people here that think they have some support for the contention that longer hair equals 'mellower' temperament, be that support come from other trainers, handlers, or sometimes yes sometimes no breeders, please provide links to them or for the conversations of all these agreements on the low key personalities of the fluffer dogs.
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So for the breeders that have breeds that 'spontaneously' blossom an off coat, do you really want to get rid of that odd pup? For good? Everyone of your dogs carry that gene for good, bad or indifferent.
There are lots of reasons to delegate a papillon pup to genetic extinction (or a pet home) sometimes it's legs aren't quite straight enough, sometimes not quite the right temperament, sometimes markings are messed up, and yep sometimes a papillon puppy is born with the wrong coat type.
A correct coat type for a papillon puppy is a single long coat, it's a little like people hair. Sometimes we'll have one born with a cotton coat (light fuzzy texture) and sometimes one born with a double coat. Besides the maintenance on these coats being a total PITA personally yes, I don't and won't encourage the retention of these puppies nor would I encourage the pairing that resulted in them again unless the "normal" pups resulting from that litter were outstanding in some other way.
My reasoning behind that is I'm breeding a dog to keep. If I'm lucky I have four to pick from and hopefully by doing my research I'll have a hard time picking one because they're all collectively that close to what I envisioned when I planned that litter.
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