One exercise we used to teach marker work was for two humans to work it.
The first person with the marker/clicker knows what behavior he/she wants the other human to do. (go stand on a mat for instance).
When the second person makes any move or turn in the direction of the mat, the first person marks that behavior.
Assuming the second person understands the marker system it will soon start offering more and more behaviors towards and finally on the mat.
This is what we're trying to get across to the dog. All it takes is teaching the dog that word/click will mean it performed a behavior worth rewarding.
The timing is no less and no more important then correction training. The difference is, if your timing is off with correction training you get a WTF from the dog because it has no idea what you corrected for. The dog then becomes confused and may shut down (some call getting stubborn) rolleyes/head bang!
With markers and reward the worst that happens with bad timing is the dog gets a free treat/tug.
I would not choose such an opposite-of-desired action when loading, although it's probably irrelevant unless I repeat it.
I know it's no-expectation marking and rewarding, but I think I'd avoid that.
I'm interested to hear if others think it matters.
I'm in agreement. IMO loading the marker is random and not concentrated on any particular behavior because some dogs catch on within a few mark/reward repetitions and others it takes several sessions for it to click (no pun intended). I could be completely off base but I think loading the marker and training a behavior should be 2 different steps. It keeps it black and white.
Ana, the ME clip is GREAT! But I could see a novice taking that approach and confusing the steps like giving the reward as you mark or missing the mark and just giving the reward and the multitude of other mistakes which I believe I made along the way in the beginning. But that just might be me. Coming from old school to new school I needed to concentrate. However; once I got it I was able to pick it up and have a lot more fun and engagement through motion.
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... Ana, the ME clip is GREAT! But I could see a novice taking that approach and confusing the steps like giving the reward as you mark or missing the mark and just giving the reward and the multitude of other mistakes which I believe I made along the way in the beginning. But that just might be me.
Nope, not just you.
It's great, I love it, but I agree.
But that might be just you and me. LOL
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Maybe it IS just you and me. I received a PM saying it's not really that hard, even for a novice.
Edited by Connie Sutherland (08/17/2011 09:54 PM)
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i have mr ellis power of food dvd i did learn how to give the treat, that's easier on my fingers i couldn't do it correctly holding a camera. just a spur of the moment. never used the camera for video before, the vid clips would be helpful in phases i phase a week or 2. i need to have someone hold the camera. she does have the idea w/touch pads. connie should i post the vid in a different area i will give MT a honest try. thanks everyone
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i have mr ellis power of food dvd i did learn how to give the treat, that's easier on my fingers i couldn't do it correctly holding a camera. just a spur of the moment. never used the camera for video before, the vid clips would be helpful in phases i phase a week or 2. i need to have someone hold the camera. she does have the idea w/touch pads. connie should i post the vid in a different area i will give MT a honest try. thanks everyone
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