unfortunatly the site wouldnt open for me to watch the clip... bummer...
but i can say thru personal experience that you can build that bond between any domestic animal and its owner.... one of the members from my dog club recently said something to me.. at the time i was not sure if he was being mean or what.. he told me my dogs love me too much!!!! is there such a thing as your pet loving you too much?
and proof of that bond would be when i took part in my first bh with my younger gsd (also her first)... i got ssssooo nervous on the field that she should have also fell apart and let her nerves show.. but she held us together and we were best out of 3 dogs and handlers 96 points bestandet(passed)....her only fault was being too wide away from me entering thru the group....

i can't get it to play either--any suggestions? pat parelli is tremendous, i'd love to watch this from the other comments.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I'd agree with this up to a point. This horse shows some irritability in some of the moves; too much tail movement, and he has a crabby expression in his ears and pinched muzzle for a few things like the rearing and the jumping over the upright column. I'd call this horse well trained, and I believe this guy really likes his horse. Nice job.

You know your horse is trained when you can hop on bareback with nothing on his face, and go walk/trot/canter. I used to sometimes ride my mare in a small area in front of the barn, over jumps, with nothing on her and the eighteen wheelers whizzing by at sixty-five miles an hour about fifty to a hundred feet away. No fence; if not for the training, she could have had us both out in the road in three strides. My gelding has been of that temperment since he was four; it's a nice way to get exercise in the winter when you don't want to pull blankets or warm up a bit. He's ten now. My horse's chiropractor is not fond of bareback riding, however; it concentrates the load onto smaller areas of the back, and can cause bruising. I do use a saddle most always to um, spread the, um, load. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I personally don't care much for Pat Parelli or his training methods. It tends to be a cookbook approach to training that makes instant 'expurts' out of novice riders in a weekend. And there's all sorts of paraphenalia that they'll try to convince you that you can't be any good without; like the magic string halter and the special bareback pad and signed reins and such. I dislike the doublespeak of calling a whip a 'carrot stick' (gag me) and the way these items are outrageously priced. It's not in the equipment; it's in the timing and the training. If you want to see good training without the crass commercialism, read the Dorrance brothers, Tom and Bill, or Ray Hunt. Or for those of an English (dressage) mind, the very compassionate training by Reiner Klimke.

And don't even get me started on Monty Roberts. *gag* *choke*

No doubt you see this sort of phenomena in the dog world, too.

The short answer: it's the settings in your browser and/or firewall and/or anti-virus program. The long answer may involve a lot of time on the phone with tech support, reading a lot of mind-numbing support documents, diddling with settings that don't fix it - trial and error stuff.

I use Firefox for most internet sites except when I have problems - like I did with this video - then I switch to Internet Explorer. Your anti-virus / ad blocking / privacy control software - Norton, MacAfee, whatever - has a multitude of settings that could be blocking your access to this video.

If you don't feel adventurous or know what you're doing, it's time to bring in a geek friend to fix it. With Norton, for example, it means a lot of difficult conversations with people in India. Can't speak for the other software companies.

These things are about as frustrating and time-consuming as . . . training a dog!

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I'd agree with this up to a point. This horse shows some irritability in some of the moves; too much tail movement, and he has a crabby expression in his ears and pinched muzzle for a few things like the rearing and the jumping over the upright column. I'd call this horse well trained, and I believe this guy really likes his horse. Nice job.

You know your horse is trained when you can hop on bareback with nothing on his face, and go walk/trot/canter. I used to sometimes ride my mare in a small area in front of the barn, over jumps, with nothing on her and the eighteen wheelers whizzing by at sixty-five miles an hour about fifty to a hundred feet away. No fence; if not for the training, she could have had us both out in the road in three strides. My gelding has been of that temperment since he was four; it's a nice way to get exercise in the winter when you don't want to pull blankets or warm up a bit. He's ten now. My horse's chiropractor is not fond of bareback riding, however; it concentrates the load onto smaller areas of the back, and can cause bruising. I do use a saddle most always to um, spread the, um, load. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I personally don't care much for Pat Parelli or his training methods. It tends to be a cookbook approach to training that makes instant 'expurts' out of novice riders in a weekend. And there's all sorts of paraphenalia that they'll try to convince you that you can't be any good without; like the magic string halter and the special bareback pad and signed reins and such. I dislike the doublespeak of calling a whip a 'carrot stick' (gag me) and the way these items are outrageously priced. It's not in the equipment; it's in the timing and the training. If you want to see good training without the crass commercialism, read the Dorrance brothers, Tom and Bill, or Ray Hunt. Or for those of an English (dressage) mind, the very compassionate training by Reiner Klimke.

And don't even get me started on Monty Roberts. *gag* *choke*

No doubt you see this sort of phenomena in the dog world, too.

I feel that I need to respond to this, Ed wanted to but since I have been to several Parelli clinics in the last 2 years I felt that I had the experience to intelligently answer.

To say Parelli is a 'cook book' approach is accurate, how in the world would you present general training information to people without an outline? The levels program he has produced is not perfect but is the easiest curriculam (sp) to follow for the AVERAGE horse owner. Most people are dealing with safety and respect issues, and I feel that the program really helps PEOPLE understand how to communicate fairly with their horse...bottom line, it's all about communication. the Parelli program can take you as far as YOU wish to go, but I really feel it's all about teaching people to evaluate themselves, it's not so much a horse training program as a PEOPLE training program.

Our training dvd's that we produce at Leerburg are probably 'cook books' for dog trainers also.... it's a place to start your journey with your dog, and not meant to be the only avenue of learning...

I went to a 4 day Parelli clinic last August with my 3 year old horse... it was great! No cook book or cookie cutter training at all... when you know the principles of horse (or dog) training and can apply them effectively then find an instructor that you agree with and tweak your techniques according to your ability and horse's(or dogs)genetic capability, traning level and temperament and you will make progress... I have been amazed at how much faster horses appear to learn than dogs.. they seem to retain their lessons longer also.

I feel that since I have been working with my young horses using Parelli-esqe training, my relationship with them has increased in a huge way AND my dog training has improved also. I feel that dealing with prey animals is a great experience for teaching the subtle nuances that horses react to, I think most of us don't take as much care with our dogs...they are predators (like us) and much less reactive.

Just like with dog training, I have studied many other horse trainers and take what I like from each one.. I don't agree with everything I see presented by every single person that comes down the Natural Horsemanship pike, same with dog trainers... You have to use what makes sense to YOU!

as for bareback riding, nothing works better to create an independant seat...it's not something I do A LOT of but it is a great exercise for people wanting to improve their balance and communication with their horse.

IME, many people that criticize training methods haven't really TRIED the methods they don't approve of or haven't gone to a seminar or clinic...dog or horse, it makes no difference.

That was a very cool clip. It's so nice to see the animal world making progress in the way animals are treated. It seems people are finally getting the idea that if we try to understand them, we don't need to use force to get them to do everything.

I work as a tech in an Equine Hospital and I totally agree with Cindy. Up until I got this job most of my experiance was with dogs and cats, but being around horses and their prey instincts flipped my world upside down. They do everything differently and it takes a lot more to earn their trust. It really does give you a new look at working your dog, it certainly has helped me with my 6 month old.

One day I will fulfill my dream of owning a horse and I can't wait to approach it's training with the positive approachs that I approach my dog's training with and see where that takes us.

Cool clip Ed.

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The short answer: it's the settings in your browser and/or firewall and/or anti-virus program. .....These things are about as frustrating and time-consuming as . . . training a dog!

That's for sure! However, I believe that it could also be that the computer doesn't have Windows Media Player downloaded (or similar) to play the clip.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows...p;qstechnology=

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The short answer: it's the settings in your browser and/or firewall and/or anti-virus program. .....These things are about as frustrating and time-consuming as . . . training a dog!

That's for sure! However, I believe that it could also be that the computer doesn't have Windows Media Player downloaded (or similar) to play the clip.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows...p;qstechnology=

P.S. I too had a problem with this trying to view it on a different browser.........had to switch to Explorer where I had downloaded Media Player a while back. And, as Mike says, I have occasionally had to "allow" something through my Norton settings, in my PC days, to view it.

I thought it was beautiful and showed a lovely understanding between trainer and horse. I've not been around horses for many years (children coming along) but used to be all the time from 4 years old. I thought the horse looked like it was really enjoying itself and had the utmost respect for his trainer. Hope my dogs are like that with me one day.
Thanks Ed for a really nice clip showing the way a relationship should be between man and animal.

Ed, thank you for posting that video. It has brought back so many memories for me of my riding days. I have not been riding for 20 some years, and now I realize how much I miss being around the farm and horses. Maybe next time my daughter begs for a horse, I will be a little more understanding.