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Andre, if showlines are your thing. . .that dog isn't going to get you far in the ring. Not show quality.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I don't know much about show dogs and what they should look like.

Quite frankly, I don't even like GSD's from working lines. They are too slow (mentally and physically), too heavy, tire quickly, shed too much, difficult to dry when wet, pass gas too much when they get older, and are only good for Schutzhund.

Do you dare disagree?

My wife is looking at me...not understanding why I'm laughing at a monitor. Time for shuteye.

Nastygram!!! That's MY word! VC-as difficult as you are to like, I've managed it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. (Not sure how you feel about that, are you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

You're so right. Showlines don't shed at all because they're brushed CONSTANTLY, they never tire (because they can't walk in the first place,) and most of them aren't healthy enough to really get old, so they don't usually pass too much gas when they get older. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Quite excellent observations. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Jennie, i own a male west german showline dog,(both parents are winerau kennel dogs) that i would put up against any dog i've ever seen as far as athletics go. He's tall and skinny and the dog has great prey drive and is extremely healthy, clear headed and very social, the father is a sch 3 and the mother is sch 2, there's a difference in american showlines and german showlines, with that said, he couldn't protect me under any circumstance, it's not in him, but he's a happy, stable animal that could be a poster dog against BSL, his life is the ball, if your a family person my older male is the perfect kind of dog,
AL

Al, I was making fun of the bash at working GSDs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />. He was being extreme, and I just sort of rearranged and returned it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />. I really could not care less where a dog comes from with regard to what it can do. Would you not agree that it was a funny claim to make on Andres' part? And, I think you'll have to admit, that your dog (W.German) is probably a far cry from those poor examples of showdogs in say, Westminster, or the Eukanuba show, or whatever. A dog from showlines can certainly work in some cases. A showDOG (American primarily) generally is not made/allowed to work, except in gaining fluffy titles to increase the value of offspring (wait, that kind of sounds like some WORKING dogs, lol! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. I'm sorry if you took it personally. I really was making as ridiculous a joke as was already posted. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Andre- "I don't know much about show dogs and what they should look like."


Then don't post answers to questions about them on this board.

geez so which is which? for jenni i dont think she really likes anything,whether show or working which makes things more complex ro newbies,how in the world will someone know which is wwhich?

Which is which? Appearance-wise or what? I always thought that working dogs look like dogs, and show dogs look like barbie dolls, but don't take offense to that, that's just me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

For me it all comes down to this--if you want a dog that'll work, get a working line. If you want a pretty pet, get a show line. Don't try to make mountains out of molehills.

While I don't know MUCH , I'm no slouch either. I believe I've read more than 500 surveys, I have been a helper with the show people here at shows, and I try to help with training. I have sat with a bunch of hot shot WUSV judges and complained about how nervy and hyper show dogs are becoming, etc. etc.

At the end of the day, Robert, my point is that I think it's great if someone wants to prance behind a dog around a ring. It's not for me, but there is nothing wrong with it. If the owner of that dog wants to compete with it, why shouldn't he? Because he won't be Sieger? Please...

On the other hand, it's certainly sad to see good breeds destroyed for the sake of fancy...and it downright angers me to see people competing with something OTHER THAN THEIR OWN PERFORMANCE, being political, snide, arrogant, backstabbing, etc.

If a person strongly advocates a particular direction, such as, "working dogs are the only way to go", I am not comfortable with that.

The VAST majority of dogs around the world are just GOOD COMPANY. Having dogs, and doing stuff with them should first and foremost BE FUN.

It makes no sense to me to live a "macho" life vicariously through a dog.

Didier-Where did you come up with THAT assessment??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I think it was clear that ANY sweeping generalization of working/show/WHATEVER is always going to be proven WRONG. Al has a showline dog who stands normally, Mike S has one that works, etc, etc...and there are working lines that happen to conform as well. I like ALL dogs-working,show (it's not THEIR fault <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> pets, whatever. I have one of each. My GSD is working lines, but happens to be gorgeous (bias? me? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />, I have a petstore chihuahua who is the smartest bestest dog in the world, and I have a pekingese out of two international champions. Clearly, I have an appreciation for ALL of them, and each type has its place. I was trying to say something along the lines of the last part of Andres' last post. You clearly misunderstood what I was saying.