Katherine Ostiguy wrote 07/26/2006 12:04 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Tyson Pearcy ] #96878 - 07/26/2006 12:04 PM
Katherine Ostiguy Webboard User Reg: 07-24-2006 Posts: 225 Loc: Offline	They make good tools for moderately-sized, moderately-powerful dogs -- nothing larger or stronger. The Border Collie that pulls on it's leash on walks can benefit from this. The Rottweiler or GSD across the street that's going for my dog CAN'T. Look at your dog and the tool realistically, for God's sakes.
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Lori Gallo wrote 07/26/2006 04:37 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Katherine Ostiguy ] #96879 - 07/26/2006 04:37 PM
Lori Gallo Webboard User Reg: 07-05-2004 Posts: 186 Loc: Offline	The intent of my original post wasn't really to discuss the use of halters as a training tool. I think Ed and the trainers on this board could address that issue much better than I could. My question was "How concerned should I be that this Rottie can wiggle out of his halti and get to me and my dog???" I think I sort of have an attitude toward what I perceive to be the mind set of those who recommend these tools. It is my understanding that they "ignore the bad behavior, re-direct the dogs attention, and then praise the dog for placing his attention elsewhere" or something like that. No corrections, ever.
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Anne Vaini wrote 07/26/2006 05:03 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Lori Gallo ] #96880 - 07/26/2006 05:03 PM
Anne Vaini Webboard User Reg: 07-14-2005 Posts: 775 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	I'd be extremely concerned. I have yet to meet a dog that can't easily escape a properly fit head harness. Check out the safety links on these things; they're not at all sturdy.
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Katherine Ostiguy wrote 07/26/2006 05:20 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Lori Gallo ] #96881 - 07/26/2006 05:20 PM
Katherine Ostiguy Webboard User Reg: 07-24-2006 Posts: 225 Loc: Offline	Yes, the no-correction yuppies certainly are big on the head halters -- that's for sure. I had to tighten up my halti by using a hair elastic over the clasp so that my Springer couldn't work her way out of it. I might be stupid, but I really don't think ESS have particularly 'short' muzzles? I bought the size that said 'Springer spaniels' right on the box (my Springer is the usual, 45-lb 20" moderate hunting dog type, nothing unusual) and she could easily get her nose out of it. The elastic band in front of the clip(which is a cheaply made piece of junk) seemed to do the trick, though. But yes, I'd be extremely concerned about any powerful dog in a head harness, especially if it seems to be able to slip out of it at will. A halter is not effective on a dog like this at ALL.
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Carolyn White wrote 07/27/2006 01:43 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Lori Gallo ] #96882 - 07/27/2006 01:43 PM
Carolyn White Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2004 Posts: 205 Loc: Offline	Lori, I am sorry to hear about your experience. It is good that you kept your wits about you. What do the members of this forum recommend as "defense" against attacking dogs? It has been a very longtime since I have taken a dog for a walk. I am going to volunteer as a dog walker with our humane society and need your advice. C White Djinga von Rokanhaus
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Anne Vaini wrote 07/27/2006 01:49 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Carolyn White ] #96883 - 07/27/2006 01:49 PM
Anne Vaini Webboard User Reg: 07-14-2005 Posts: 775 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	It has been noted before on the forum that the "Leerburg ladies" are umm...more dangerous than their dogs <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Walking sticks, clubs, knives, guns, pepper spray have all been discussed for protecting yourself and dog from stray dogs. (The humane association may have an issue with this. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Best bet is pepper spray and walking stick, and learning how to use both before they're needed.
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Candi Campbell wrote 07/27/2006 03:05 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Anne Vaini ] #96884 - 07/27/2006 03:05 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	No, the VERY best bet is a stun-batton (!) but they aren't always legal everywhere... How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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Lori Gallo wrote 07/27/2006 05:17 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Candi Campbell ] #96885 - 07/27/2006 05:17 PM
Lori Gallo Webboard User Reg: 07-05-2004 Posts: 186 Loc: Offline	Actually I'm hoping for an opportunity to speak to this girl. I have seen her once since that incident. She saw me from a distance, ducked behind a parked car in someones driveway and let me pass by with my dog. Hopefully she'll be teachable if I can be diplomatic and direct her to leerburg.... I think she probably means well but is misinformed with regard to dog training. It's sad that she had to go into someone's yard to hide with her dog. Not to mention the liability, the neighborhood is loaded with kids and dogs...I use that route to distraction train my dog because it's that busy. I hate to think what would happen if she wasn't able to be there to intervene.
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Lauren Fitzgerald wrote 11/22/2006 09:03 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Lori Gallo ] #118614 - 11/22/2006 09:03 PM
Lauren Fitzgerald Webboard User Reg: 12-07-2001 Posts: 10 Loc: Offline	Head halters are a means to constrain, not train. Constraining is subject to the situation and dog. I'd be very concerned the dog can snap the halter or break free. I don't know how often you see this lady but is it possible to give her some advice on your run and leave your dog at home one time? I realize it's not your responsibility but from what you describe she sounds like an accident waiting to happen and the last thing on earth this breed needs is another accident. Lauren Fitzgerald
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Heather Williams wrote 11/23/2006 02:53 PM Re: Head halters and Rotties [Re: Lauren Fitzgerald ] #118682 - 11/23/2006 02:53 PM
Heather Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-10-2006 Posts: 358 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	I don't use a halti for training, but I think it can be helpful for pullers. My vizsla mix was a total nut on the leash until we tried the halti, but I certainly don't use it for training. He's never been able to break out of it, even when trying fairly hard - though I think his may he "heavier" than the ones you're describing...I don't know how anything but a good pair of scissors could destroy this thing. Getting out of a halti is pretty easy, though. All the dog has to do is back up hard. My manchester has a very slender head and she doesn't even need to pull backwards, just back up...we attach it to a flat collar for safety reasons, but used it for quite a while as it did help tremendously with walking loosely on a lead - which she now does without the halti. Just a question - why would anti-correction trainers even use a halti if they don't correct? Wouldn't they just stick to the flat collar?
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