jeff oehlsen wrote 02/04/2006 04:40 AM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #96971 - 02/04/2006 04:40 AM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	And finally, we have this gem. Quote:In the "Foods to Avoid" chapter of her book, she refers to '97 published diet recommendations by oncologists at Colo. State's College of Vet. Medicine to help combat cancer. If your dog doesn't have cancer....... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 02/04/2006 08:37 AM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #96972 - 02/04/2006 08:37 AM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	Dairy products are on the "list to avoid" due to the lactose content. If you want to feed a diet that prevents cancer, then you don't want to feed anything that contains any type of sugars. Cancer NEEDS sugar to exist and grow. Therefore, commercial dog food, grain, dairy, and sugary veggies and fruits are something some people choose not to feed or feed in very small amounts, if at all. I personally use dairy products VERY rarely but will give yogurt to a dog that has had to be on antibiotics. As for the growth rate for Lisa's pup, raw fed pups grow slower than kibble fed pups. A lot of breeders who used to feed kibble and switch to raw are surprised to see the differences when they have their first raw fed litter but it's just a slower, steadier growth as opposed to those huge growth spurts that kibble pups seem to experience. Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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Ed Frawley wrote 02/04/2006 08:44 AM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ] #96973 - 02/04/2006 08:44 AM
Ed Frawley Administrator Reg: 07-11-2001 Posts: 2112 Loc: Offline	Jeff - you don't feed a raw diet - you know little to nothing about a raw diet - please dont pass on your inaccurate negative opionions unless you do your research. I compare this to how I wont allow untrained civilians to post answers to law enforcement threads - the same goes here. You can ask a question - DONT ANSWER THEM !!! THE FACT IS - hands down a all-natural raw diet is the best way to feed a dog. Frawley@leerburg.com http://www.leerburg.com
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Lisa Ewan wrote 02/04/2006 09:22 AM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: Ed Frawley ] #96974 - 02/04/2006 09:22 AM
Lisa Ewan Webboard User Reg: 12-11-2005 Posts: 232 Loc: Manchester, U.K. Offline	Thankyou all for the advice. The breeder has just e-mailed me with this question, "I do not know much about the barf diet - does it include carbs? as in pasta, rice, potatoes etc. If not, is it not the same as the high protein, low carb diet that we go on to lose weight? if so, is it not harder to maintain a dogs weight on this diet?" Anyone???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Brian Jackson wrote 02/04/2006 09:30 AM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: Lisa Ewan ] #96975 - 02/04/2006 09:30 AM
Brian Jackson Webboard User Reg: 03-02-2004 Posts: 125 Loc: Lakewood, WA Offline	Lisa, I have been feeding my 22 month old GSD raw since he was 8 weeks. He is in perfect health (excluding the recent injury), and I do add a very small amount of low fat plain yoguart about once a week. I am not sure about the 60/40 split of rmb/veggies, the veggie part seems pretty high to me. I didnt see you say anything about supplements outside the rmb and veggies, you need to research that also. Dont use a single author as your only resource, there are a lot of books on RAW diet out there, I recommend you read at least a couple more and then plan your diets. I think i have at least six in my library. Just a few thoughts from someone who DOES feed his dog a RAW diet.
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Lisa Ewan wrote 02/04/2006 09:59 AM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: Brian Jackson ] #96976 - 02/04/2006 09:59 AM
Lisa Ewan Webboard User Reg: 12-11-2005 Posts: 232 Loc: Manchester, U.K. Offline	Thanks Brian. I do supplement and have everything in order regarding that aspect. It was the 'amount' I was bothered about. I don't feed yoghurt as they all have a probiotic/digestive enzyme added to their food daily, so it's not needed. As to the veggie part that includes organ meats, muscle meats and fish. Sorry for being so vague about his diet, I was trying to keep the post short <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> As I said it was just the rmb part that I was stumped on. I have upped his 4lb to 5lb with no argument from him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Could anyone help with the question I asked on my last post, regarding high protein, low carb.....?
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Mike Armstrong wrote 02/04/2006 11:13 AM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: Lisa Ewan ] #96977 - 02/04/2006 11:13 AM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	Sounds like some loaded questions to me, close to trying to compare the diets and nutritional needs of dogs v. humans. If I get into discussions like this, even remotely technical, I refer people to the books on nutrition and raw feeding that are listed on this site and to some of the numerous websites that discuss raw in great detail. (Some others here have the better ones at the tip of their tongue/keyboard, or you can look at some past discussion threads.) I would hope that a breeder, of all people, had enough interest in nutrition to invest some significant time into his/her own reading and research. I don't have the background to get into the fine points of food groups, supplements, dietary balance, etc. I've had a whopping total of 2 dogs on raw diets for a cumulative 6 yrs, so I think I'm an "expert" for those 2 - and no others. I'm willing to share how I feed and what I've learned, but I can't recommend my choices, it's just my experiences. I'm still picking up pointers and adjusting the diet even now. Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/04/2006 12:20 PM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: Mike Armstrong ] #96978 - 02/04/2006 12:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Sounds like some loaded questions to me, close to trying to compare the diets and nutritional needs of dogs v. humans. ..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Lisa, I answered your email to me, saying that your breeder is making the big basic error of trying to compare canine and human nutrition, as well as using the word "carb" when she means "starch carb" (it appears). So besides explaining about dogs needing more animal fat than humans do, not processing grains well, etc., I mentioned suggesting books to her. At least she sounds curious! Then I came here and read Mike's post...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> So you have been double-timed.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/04/2006 12:33 PM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ] #96979 - 02/04/2006 12:33 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Dairy products are on the "list to avoid" due to the lactose content. If you want to feed a diet that prevents cancer, then you don't want to feed anything that contains any type of sugars. Cancer NEEDS sugar to exist and grow. Therefore, commercial dog food, grain, dairy, and sugary veggies and fruits are something some people choose not to feed or feed in very small amounts, if at all. ..... Added to this excellent point is the research that is indicating a link between the stress on the pancreas of trying to produce unnatural --- for dogs --- amounts of the enzymes used in processing large abounts of grain, and pancreatic and other cancers in dogs. There has been nothing good (that I've ever read) shown about grain-based diets for dogs. That's why (IMO) the people who are trying to defend commercial grain-based foods, such as the manufacturers, attack raw foods instead of defending commercial foods in their "studies."
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steven sullivan wrote 02/04/2006 01:24 PM Re: Feeding amounts [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #96980 - 02/04/2006 01:24 PM
steven sullivan Webboard User Reg: 01-08-2005 Posts: 62 Loc: North Shore,Massachusetts Offline	I have to agree with Ed 100% on this one!I started feeding my two Shepherds raw three months ago and the improvements have been incredible! It is without question the absolute best way to feed your dogs.
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