Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 02/17/2006 10:13 PM Re: Running into the decoy [Re: Thomas Barriano ] #98283 - 02/17/2006 10:13 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Yes he has a good bite when he bites, he's just not the "knock the decoy off his feet" kinda dog... not right now anyway, maybe it'll come with a little decoying skill, maybe it won't.
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jeff oehlsen wrote 02/17/2006 10:26 PM Re: Running into the decoy [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #98284 - 02/17/2006 10:26 PM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	Everything is better with good decoying skills. Especially ring............have I mentioned my Ring Revalution lately?? say it with me now........... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 02/18/2006 05:40 AM Re: Running into the decoy [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #98285 - 02/18/2006 05:40 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	I'd like to aim for an ASR Entry Level title for Cujo when he's ready for it, n Lÿka will be pretty much raised for ASR from day 1 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Or technically, day 57.
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Howard Knauf wrote 02/19/2006 12:06 AM Re: Running into the decoy [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #98286 - 02/19/2006 12:06 AM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	Mike, Sounds like you pretty much have this problem figured out. When we have problems with full committal, we will do what we call launching drills. Although it still requires the decoy to move away from the dog as Jeff suggested, it doesn't take long for the dog to get the idea of what we want and before you know it he will be doing this all the time, even on a passive decoy. Howard http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 02/19/2006 06:46 AM Re: Running into the decoy [Re: Howard Knauf ] #98287 - 02/19/2006 06:46 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Could you explain a little more about what a "launching drill" technique involves on the decoys part other than moving away from the dog?
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ScottWhigham wrote 02/19/2006 08:17 AM Re: Running into the decoy [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ] #98288 - 02/19/2006 08:17 AM
ScottWhigham Webboard User Reg: 01-20-2002 Posts: 115 Loc: Offline	Movement, movement, movement, Mike. Always moving back to build speed and confidence in the dog. Make the dog WORK for that bite. Lots of ways to do 'launching drills', but I'll let Howard have the first word. Bungee work helps immensely for this situation. That, and not letting your decoy stone the dog. I've seen way too many a good dog ruined by constant stone walling. Ted's real big on runaway bites and back-up bites. Excellent techniques for building the entry and confidence. Best of luck! Happy and SAFE Training, Scott
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ScottWhigham wrote 02/19/2006 08:20 AM Re: Running into the decoy [Re: ScottWhigham ] #98289 - 02/19/2006 08:20 AM
ScottWhigham Webboard User Reg: 01-20-2002 Posts: 115 Loc: Offline	...oh yeah...if you're training for ASR-E.... The standing gunfire turns into a runaway just before the dog arrives....the Defense from a Down turns into a runaway just before the dog arrives. Trying to work some time in the old schedule to get down there to help out with Patrick/Jake...but ya'll are ALWAYS welcome up here. Happy and SAFE Training, Scott
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Thomas Barriano wrote 02/19/2006 09:20 AM Re: Air time [Re: ScottWhigham ] #98290 - 02/19/2006 09:20 AM
Thomas Barriano Webboard User Reg: 02-18-2005 Posts: 87 Loc: Offline	I personally have NO problem with a dog that comes in low or slows on the entree vs the ones that come in hard and fast. The ones that launch too early or don't target properly most often miss the bite or get hurt. Watch video of the most recent FR Champion, a upper body dog, He comes in real close and then goes up. What helped my dogs on targetting for the courage test. WE did the back up thing but we'd didn't do it straight back. WE did it at a 45 angle right or left so the dog had to watch the decoy. If your dog is one of those hard hitting, super fast ones that make the spectators ooh and ahh, and thats what you want, that is your choice. I'd rather have the dog that slows down and targets. Different strokes for different stroke Regards Thomas Barriano
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 02/19/2006 09:47 AM Re: Air time [Re: Thomas Barriano ] #98291 - 02/19/2006 09:47 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Thanks Scott, I'd like to figure out a time that both Patrick and I can drive up and see you some time soon, I'm seeing him tomorrow going to Ted's together so I'll discuss it with him then. Thomas, you make a good point. It reminds me of a video that was posted on the board a short while ago with the dog going in for the bite and flipping, I don't know if the dog missed or what, I don't remember the details of the video, but I think in a real-world situation, the bad guy's job is to avoid getting bitten, not "catching the dog properly", so injury is more likely to occur than with a dog that's out on a training field with a decoy that knows how to properly catch a flying dog without falling over. I learnt this the hard way, it cost me a pair of pants <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Howard Knauf wrote 02/20/2006 10:11 PM Re: Air time [Re: Thomas Barriano ] #98292 - 02/20/2006 10:11 PM
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003 Posts: 1555 Loc: Melbourne, Florida Offline	Mike, We also use the bungee as Scott suggested. It is a very good tool to get the dog to come in hard as well as build the bite. In our launching drills we have the dog on the 6 ft lead and the decoy in a suit. The dog will be pumped up a little and the attack command given. The decoy runs straight away with you and the dog in pursuit. When you give the final attack command, release the lead and the decoy will speed up more just as the dog is about to engage. During the pursuit portion, the dog is only about 6-8 ft behind the decoy. The decoy waves his arms while running to keep the dog focused high as some will hit the legs instead. Timing is critical and lots of praise as usual. Thomas, I dont have a problem with a dog hitting low or coming under either. My first partner was like that and was very effective on the street. My current partner likes to fly though. Neither has missed the bad guy for real so, for me, either way works fine. Howard http://www.spacecoasttactical.com
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