Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
[Re: Ed Frawley ]
#101371 - 03/20/2006 10:16 AM |
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I watched & had the same thought. I think the 1st season was better than the new one. Cesar seems to be branching out into different areas. I had enough, especially since he is now doling out marriage advise <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
[Re: Jamie Bodeutsch ]
#101372 - 03/20/2006 10:52 AM |
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ED you're taking away all the fun of watching that show for me if he explains everything he's doing . I understand your frustration . I think that's common with most experianced dog trainers , we want more .
I think he's a good dog trainer but most of the dogs I see him training in those episodes are dogs with very easy problems to solve IMO .
I only watch for the few times he's dealing with a highly driven dog . Those are fun episodes for me because I can usually pick out bits and pieces of what's really going on with that dog's training .
I personally think if he explained the tools and certain techniques he was using , his show would be off the air because he would lose his main audience . I don't think his main audience is willing to know what training techniques are actually needed to save an aggressive dog from the needle . They are perfectly happy seeing the good outcome but not what it took to get there .
My guess would be he would like to have more say on how the show is made . I'd bet he's constantly weighing if his show is getting across enough educational information as opposed to it just being entertaining .
The other reason I like the show is because it drives home very clearly that dog's should be treated like dogs not humans (about all I think most of his audience is capable of getting out of the show anyways).
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
[Re: Jim Nash ]
#101373 - 03/20/2006 11:13 AM |
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It's nice to know he's not a magician who can magically make dogs do what he wants by looking at em. I'd like to see this episode... I'm sure that if he was hiding the remote that it's probably the producers idea.
I don't like idolizing people, and I in no way idolize Caesar or worship him as the godsend of dog trainers, so in a way im kinda happy that he's been humanized n people can see he's not some miracle worker, but I have no doubt that he understands dogs and trains them very well beyond what the average or many experienced trainers may be capable of.
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
[Re: Jim Nash ]
#101374 - 03/20/2006 11:13 AM |
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....I think he's a good dog trainer but most of the dogs I see him training in those episodes are dogs with very easy problems to solve IMO . ...I only watch for the few times he's dealing with a highly driven dog . Those are fun episodes for me because I can usually pick out bits and pieces of what's really going on with that dog's training ....My guess would be he would like to have more say on how the show is made . I'd bet he's constantly weighing if his show is getting across enough educational information as opposed to it just being entertaining . The other reason I like the show is because it drives home very clearly that dog's should be treated like dogs not humans (about all I think most of his audience is capable of getting out of the show anyways).
I think you've hit the nail on the head. In person, he has no smoke and mirror stuff, and I've always figured, because of that major difference, that MPH and National Geographic have much more control of the TV product than he has.
The solid part you mention about dogs not being furry humans is always put across, I think, and that might be the most beneficial fact he can get across to a mass market. JMO.
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
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#101375 - 03/20/2006 12:05 PM |
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I think that the editing has a lot more to do with it than we might think. Afterall, the producers must make "entertainment" out of it all. I have noticed on several occasions the use of dominant dog, choke, prong, and electric collars. Never a mention of any of the equipment.
On the positive side Cesar Milan constantly "trains the humans" and that is a good thing. I also like how he stresses the "dogs live in the moment". I'll agree I would like to see better explainations, but I guess that would bore the general audience the show is marked towards.
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
[Re: Chris St. Clair ]
#101376 - 03/20/2006 01:29 PM |
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I've been followed around for several weeks by 2 different camera crews 1 from Japan and another from England . The English crew was filming for some of our more popular (U.S.) cable networks .
You would be amazed what I have seen them do in editing to make the stuff more "entertaining" . They edited in commands given to dogs that weren't there . Mixed up sequence of events to make things more suspenseful . Mixed up dogs . It was mostly what they didn't show that had the biggest effect on how things were percieved by the general public . All in all though I believe the positives of the shows far outweighed the negatives of the shows in educating the general public .
Luckliy for the U.S. market my stuff hit the editing room floor . In Japan however it made the air . Between subtle editing mistakes I beleive were unintentional and a few minor liberties they took it frustrated me and I'm glad it didn't air here . My behavior and tactics changed also mainly due to having a camera and sound guy following close behind me . The interpretations of things got totally changed around sometimes from English to Japanese .
For us though it was a 1 time thing where we signed a contract . Having not done anything like that before we were suprised by the final product but had little say in changing anything . Cesar should have a little more say in the matter of his show since it's a series and wouldn't be a show without him . I feel for him I hope he is constantly evaluating if the show is still beneficial . I still think it is .
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
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#101377 - 03/20/2006 01:54 PM |
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Has anyone seen his DVD? If so is it any good? I hadn't heard a lot about this guy until I done some digging a few months back and all the available reports were good.
I was going to buy his DVD but went for Ed's "Building Drive, Focus & Grip with flinks" (Good DVD BTW).
Would it be a worthwhile purchase or a waste of my hard earned?
John
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
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#101378 - 03/20/2006 02:03 PM |
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The show has never explained what collars are being used and why. Nor is any effort made to explain how to use said collar correctly, whether it is a prong collar, a chain choker, a nylon choker, e-collar, or his 'Illusion Collar' (looks like some kind of nylon choker). Heck, on one show he was yanking the dog around with a Gentle Leader, using it like a choke collar!
Watch the 'Dog Whisperer' for awhile and you might think that all you have to do is the alpha roll-over and take your dog for a walk to fix all his problems. And, just 'flood' him with the stimuli to which he has developed an aversion to fix his fear issues.
Cesar likely has little control over the production and editing of this show. Cesar has an engaging personality and presence and I like the show, but I wonder if this show might be doing a disservice to millions of un-educated viewers...
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
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#101379 - 03/20/2006 02:06 PM |
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Cesar is having a seminar here in St. Louis sometime in November. I plan to attend to get a little more insight on him. It will be very interesting to see if his methods are openly discussed in front of a group of people that, I suspect, will be predominantely "furkid" folks.
I'd be interested in comments about his DVD also.
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Re: Cesar Milan - March 17th 2006
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#101380 - 03/20/2006 02:10 PM |
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Excellent insight to all the behind the scenes~and editing as well as the lost in translation bit Mr. Nash.
Perhaps Mr. Milan wanted his audience to know he was using an e-collar and the producers agreed to show just a *bit* of the e-remote in his hand and a bit of the box on the dog to satisfy his demands?
MAYbe he does think about his scrutinizing viwers (ie: Frawleys and the like) and the bulk of the show is out of his hands due to *contracts*. ?
I have only seen the Whisperer man, Cesar Milan, a few times, but it was my impression that the show was more geared towards sensationalizing behavior problems (in owners and dogs) as a means to make the Whisperer seem to be a miracle worker.
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