This is an excellent video, thank you Will for mentioning it in regards to the other thread. I didn't want to comment on that thread over there again because it's being watched <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I've seen Bas videos before, but my perception was that the dog was a freak. Is this type of dog common and the type newer people in need of a PPD should be looking for when looking at various vendors/trainers?

I think it's really confusing for new people, because even after your response in the other thread, I still couldn't see why the dogs were not impressive. The three commands thing I missed completely, even after you mentioned it, and the sitting crooked I was like, so? Just some insight into what a non trainer new person might think <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> After watching the first video, I will say they have a good marketing campaign in place. It made me want to get a big black german shepherd, lol <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'm very easily impressed and now I see very clearly why mastiff types are not considered working dogs . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

That is better than a Warren Miller film on a snowy Friday night in December!

Hugh

Barb,
While this type of dog is not "common", they are readily available by reputable ppd vendors and are the gold standard for what prospective owners should seek.

Your further comments make me cringe though.."I still couldn't see why the dogs were not impressive" - Barb, you're reminding me of a car shopper here. You go into the Chevy dealership and buy a plain jane familiy car that will just get by.

Fine for you.

But for the people that need 4 wheel drive, or very fast speed, those type of buyers will seek out a more complex and expensive car to fit their needs.

As far as your "some insight into what a non trainer new person might think" I have news for you, those unimpressive videos are for buyers *just* like you, that don't bother to do research or learn what seperates a good dog from an average dog. People that fail to learn are gonna pay nearly the same as the higher level buyers that get an excellent dog, but ya'll will end up with a very average dog.

Folks that are "very easily impressed" by a video that shows nothing special is why marketing works. Let the buyer beware.

Learn to use a critical eye and get out and view some high level dogs working, it'll change your views.

Barb, anyone of us with good sport dogs, and a good film editor, could make the first "impressive" video clip. It takes just right dog/handler/trainer to even come close to the second. I'm dern proud of my dogs abilities, but there is NO comparison to what you just saw. I think most here will say the same. JMHO!

Agreed,
I think the dogs in this video define the word intense, as related to the work they perform. Extreme might also be a good desriptive word.
I cant help but wonder that a dog like this is more than most can handle on a day to day basis or would want to. Are such dogs as these suitable in a family setting provided they are reared and socialized or is it unpractical and inviting chaos?(assuming kids and dog are taught rules and proper conduct-no poking, teasing etc.)
Yes Im very impressed with the video and might one day love to own/compete with a dog such as this, but wonder if a large farmstead with no kids, is a more suitable environment than a household used as a pet/working dog, family protector. These dogs are remarkable, quick to react, agile but if they cant be used to protect the owner, his family and belongings what good are they, except in a military deployment? I appreciate the feedback.

Will, when I go to a Chevy dealership, I walk out with a Suburban. Maybe you need more than that, but that suits my needs perfectly <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> If I HAD to drive a car, it certainly wouldn't be a Chevy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

My post wasn't to make anyone cringe, just give some honest insight into what I see, and I've seen a little more than the average person who is newly seeking a pp dog for their family.

I find BAS to be an impressive mal, but he's not a dog that I would be interested in owning. If I wanted to win competitions and I had a TON of experience, than maybe, but I'm not there yet. Thanks for the input <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />