With that said I started using an e-collar on my shepherd at around 4 months (at a very low setting) to break him of chasing his tail. It worked but it was a pain.
I highly reccomend Ed's e-collar dvd as well as his training articles on the subject before you start working with an e-collar it will save you and your dog alot of heartache.
It`s obviouse that this person is new to training. I personaly feel they should not use one. I`m aloud to an oppinion. That`s why this is a discussion board. New people who never used an E-collar before should not be using one to teach the dog to learn NEW things. Especially without an experienced trainer. Use it after the dog knows the commands then sure. Use it to reinforce the commands he knows. I mean the guy didn`t know what a prong collar, flat collar was and you`re giving him advise on using an E-collar. Like i said before. poor dog and Ed for you to agree to that suprises me.
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I think that I have to agree that someone who doesn't know what a flat collar is, should surely not even be considering using an e-collar at this time.
I always start training with the most positive methods, WITH proper guidance and instruction from someone who's trained alot of dogs before. Geez, if dog training was easy every dog would be perfect and I'd rather not 'learn as I go along' if instead I can learn from the best. Better for my pup and for me.
So I start with a flat collar, only move up to a prong IF I HAVE TO, and the e-collar is last resort that I do NOT go to lightly. Can really mess up your dog if you do not follow the directions and use it properly.
As a person that has gone through the natural progression of a flat collar, to a choke chain, to a prong collar, to an e-collar....surprisingly back to a flat collar, I must strongly agree with Ed on this one. At least in my case (a female AmStf) it was completely an issue of temperment and drive. Once she learned letting her drive disrespect me as a pack leader would not be tolerated, and I accomplished this in part with the use of an e-collar as I could not provide a severe enough correction with anything else, she submitted to me. Her strongest drive was to be aggressive with other dogs. Now when she sees another dog, she actually looks at me for her queue and a verbal command is sufficient, hence back to a flat collar. How much of this can I attribute to the e-collar and how much can I attribute to leadership training I guess I could not say as I re-trained her correctly as I weened her off of the e-collar.
Thank you Jenn for agreeing and Valerie i have no problem with an E-collar But not to teach new things first. You`re dog knew what you wanted from him/her already. You just used the E-collar to reinforce it like i said it should be used for.
I was simply stating in my case it was as Ed said. I am in no way qualified to comment on when the e-collar is appropriate. I was under the instruction of a well versed trainer in my application of this training tool.
Jenn Kavanaugh Webboard User Reg: 01-05-2004
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Candi, not sure why you want us to go to that site of Ed's on his remote collar training. It's a great page, and I agree with it...........
I LOVE THE E-collar. So if I gave the impression it was not a useful tool in training, I'm sorry for that. Problem I see is that in UNEDUCATED HANDS (and someone who doesn't know what a flat collar is probably needs just a bit more dog training skills in my book.......) the e-collar is not something I recommend as a initial training 'tool'. I'd much rather see a consistant training schedule, using a good trainer, and then going on from there.
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