 Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: Mike McCain ]
#115040 - 10/03/2006 08:19 PM |
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We have a WDA club, and ours are mostly working lines. We even have rotties in the club as well as dobes. There is another club not too far away that is mostly showline people. All depends on the club.
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: Angela Washburn ]
#115041 - 10/04/2006 12:42 AM |
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I belong to a GSDCA-WDA club. We have Two West Germanshowline GSD. One is doing a really nice job. The rest are all working line. We also have Rots, Pits, Presas, American BDs, ACD, Dobe, .
As others have said, it's more about the individual club then the affiliation.
I might also add that nobody on our club, other then the AB lady, is the least bit interested in the show ring, and she does both.
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: Mike McCain ]
#130784 - 02/24/2007 10:16 AM |
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I am new to this forum and I see this discussion is old. I am a member of GSDCA-WDA schutzhund club. I was USA in the past, the helpers are both USA and GSDCA-WDA, the members are mostly ex-USA or both. The helpers are excellent, the dogs are excellent, and the members are dedicated to the sport of schutzhund and their dogs. I see no difference USA vs. GSDCA-WDA when it comes to working my dog. To say that GSDCA-WDA is less than USA, or that GSDCA-WDA has weaker dogs than USA is just not factual. It's a shame that USA does not recognize GSDCA-WDA titles. For me...the question when looking to join a club is number of dogs to helper ratio, quality of helpers, people in the club, and training facility. USA vs. GSDCA-WDA did not play any role in my decision to join a GSDCA-WDA club.
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: Bryan Cooper ]
#130797 - 02/24/2007 12:57 PM |
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Bryan, you're welcome to your opinion, but I've shown now in SchH for over 20 years and the difference between the dogs competing in the GSDCA/WDA Nationals and the SchH USA Nationals is obvious to anybody that's been in the sport for more than a year.
Just recently the Nationals level competition for the GSDCA/ WDA has improved, but only for the reason the SchH USA folks are looking to those Nationals as a secondary way of getting on the world team if they fail to make it on the SchH USA team.
And that's a fact.
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: Bryan Cooper ]
#130800 - 02/24/2007 01:05 PM |
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. . For me...the question when looking to join a club is number of dogs to helper ratio, quality of helpers, people in the club, and training facility.
I agree, that is a very important component.I saw a certification of helpers being done by the DVG and I was a little chocked on how many certified that I felt were not of any quality, simply mediocre to bad.If a helper can't read his own dog how in the hell can he read a strange dog on the field.I'm probably off topic, sorry..
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: Angelique Cadogan ]
#130825 - 02/24/2007 02:48 PM |
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Just FYI....
Titles from SV judges are recognized by both organizations. USA does not recognize titles from WDA judges and WDA does not recognize titles from USA judges (most people forget to mention the WDA part when this issue comes up. It goes both ways.)
The level has improved for the WDA, but that is because members from USA have also become members of WDA. Look who has done well and you see it cross both organizations.
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: Sue DiCero ]
#136642 - 04/04/2007 02:02 PM |
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I have been a member of a USA club for a year or so now. The owner/director of the facility also breeds and works with a lot of Show dogs. I had always thought show dogs were AKC dogs, but I recently went to a show at the club. It was a USA show. Every single dog was black and red saddle back, fairly large, and angulated (not as extreme as AKC dogs and not as roached as German show dogs?).
I had always thought when people (here on Leerburg) were talking about working lines vs. show they were referring to 2 types. Now it seems there are USA show dogs which are of better working quality???
Where exactly do the USA show dogs fall - working or show??
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: matt schmidt ]
#136648 - 04/04/2007 02:23 PM |
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USA is like the SV as far as show dogs being show lines and working dogs being working lines. Maybe I don't understand your question?
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
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#136664 - 04/04/2007 03:37 PM |
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Well, I thought USA was a working dog Schutzhund organization and assumed that most members involved had working dogs. I didn't realize that they have conformation shows as well. I thought the dog shows were for the AKC. Now, I have learned that USA has show dogs and according to the USA show breeders that I talked to, USA show dogs are much closer to working lines - and it seems many of these USA show dog lines are used in Police Dept.s across the country. They also title their breeding show males in Sch III and females in at least Sch I (most of the time)
SO my question is when we are talking working versus show lines - it seems there are tow tiers of show lines with the AKC dogs (with no title req.'s for breeding) and the USA show dogs which are mostly titled and solid working dogs????? Is this the case???
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Re: Differences between GSDCA and USA?
[Re: matt schmidt ]
#136673 - 04/04/2007 04:41 PM |
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Matt, It's just like the SV. Yes, the German showlines are titled before they can be bred. Yes, they are head & shoulders better than their American counter-parts (IMHO). Still, there is a great difference between the german show & german working lines, and personally, I don't see a problem with that. Usually they title under judges sympatico with what they want. I prefer working lines & it's what I have always had. There may come a day when I can no longer handle a working lines dog. You can bet when that day comes, I will still get a GSD, but one from more mellow GERMAN show lines!!
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