Phil,
nice post. It's the people who think "I'm only breeding PETS" who have put many breeds in crisis.

IMO pet dogs should be held to the same standards as show or working dogs, their jobs as companions for our families is VERY important. Poor health and unstable temperament is heartbreaking for families, sometimes more so than "professionals" who don't purchase a dog as a family member.

Dawn, I would NOT breed your female. You seem to be very uninformed about breeding in general and have already had one tragedy. Breeding any dog is a risk, but a female that is extremely small for her breed is at risk for problems with carrying a litter and delivering normally. Asking a normal vets opinion about breeding may or may not be the answer either. I know for a fact that Ed and I know MUCH more about breeding, whelping and raising puppies than any of our local vets. We have so much more experience than they do, and most vets don't know breed standards unless they are involved in the dog world themselves. (besides being vets, I mean)

I would nix the whole breeding idea..give this poor girl a nice home and leave the breeding to folks who's dogs have something to contribute to the breed.

How is the litter doing that you have been hand rearing?

Yes, as I recall, her Jack Russell went into labor unattended. When Dawn woke up the dog was very weak.
Quote>>"On Saturday morning I awoke to find my pregnant Jack Russell Terrier trying to have her puppies. She was very weak, and I called the vet and she said I would have to help her to get them out. We got all five out, one died. Then their mother started going into convulsions. I called the vet, who said to bring her in right away, but before I could get her out the door, she passed away."<<EndQuote
Then the puppies started to bleed from the rectum and die. The last she posted she was going to have a friend who worked at a vet's office take a look at the puppies, but had never taken any of them to the vet.
Quote>>"I have a friend who works in the vets office coming over to look at them, but he said sometimes things just happen because that is the way they are supposed to. "<<EndQuote
Dawn, why in the world would you even think of breeding a boxer female who is not even up to standard for the breed? Especially after the disaster you first posted?
As someone else said, yes this is America and yes you can breed her, but why in the world would you even think of it??? <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Yes, as I recall, her Jack Russell went into labor unattended. When Dawn woke up the dog was very weak.
Quote>>"On Saturday morning I awoke to find my pregnant Jack Russell Terrier trying to have her puppies. She was very weak, and I called the vet and she said I would have to help her to get them out. We got all five out, one died. Then their mother started going into convulsions. I called the vet, who said to bring her in right away, but before I could get her out the door, she passed away."<<EndQuote
Then the puppies started to bleed from the rectum and die. The last she posted she was going to have a friend who worked at a vet's office take a look at the puppies, but had never taken any of them to the vet.
Quote>>"I have a friend who works in the vets office coming over to look at them, but he said sometimes things just happen because that is the way they are supposed to. "<<EndQuote
Dawn, why in the world would you even think of breeding a boxer female who is not even up to standard for the breed? Especially after the disaster you first posted?
As someone else said, yes this is America and yes you can breed her, but why in the world would you even think of it??? <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

To try and get as much money as she can without having to pay vet bills?

If you said yourself she is too small why the heck would you endanger her and her puppies and not further the breed? There are plenty of puppy mills that at least would take the dog and puppies to a vet!

Actually, I did take the puppies to the vet. And three of the four are doing just fine now. And if you would have read it, I said I was taking the mother to the vet, only I did not get her there in time. I did not breed her, I tried to keep her from getting pregnant by keeping her inside, except to use the restroom. Unfortunately, a neighbors dog jumped my fence and got to her.
As for my boxer, I meant is she of normal size to be breed. Which I have taken her to the vet since posting, and I have gotten the answer of "it is not recommended". I did not have any intention of breeding her now, no matter what. The whole reason I came on here to ask anything is because everything I read about on here says that others will help you to learn things, but instead everyone wants to make accusations against me and beat me down.
I know that I do not know enough, yet. That is why I asked a question. Unfortunately I worded it wrong, and I got beat up for it. So I will just look further for my answers from now on instead of asking you people.

So is that the answer, keep searching then until you find what you WANT to hear? No one here was beating you up. Just telling you in the only way anyone here obviously knows how that you breeding anything right now with your lack of knowledge is NOT a good idea. Why is that beating you up. It's trying to help you, and those pups that would derive from it. It's for all good involved. No one decided, hey let me beat up on her. We all I'm sure wish the best for you, but, what buisness do I have practicing surgery when I'm not qualified to be a surgeon. So how else are people suppose to tell me "NO" when I say, should I operate or should I not operate. Sorry analogy, but it's all I could come up with. I hope you take it as serious constructive criticism, and understand no one just wanted to hammer away at you. But it's obvious you were not ready for responses to your question. Instead of leaving to find somewhere where people will tell you what you want to hear, why not hang around and continue to soak up knowledge. Putting up defenses in the face of constructive criticism is never a good thing.

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So is that the answer, keep searching then until you find what you WANT to hear? No one here was beating you up. Just telling you in the only way anyone here obviously knows how that you breeding anything right now with your lack of knowledge is NOT a good idea. Why is that beating you up. It's trying to help you, and those pups that would derive from it. It's for all good involved. No one decided, hey let me beat up on her. We all I'm sure wish the best for you, but, what buisness do I have practicing surgery when I'm not qualified to be a surgeon. So how else are people suppose to tell me "NO" when I say, should I operate or should I not operate. Sorry analogy, but it's all I could come up with. I hope you take it as serious constructive criticism, and understand no one just wanted to hammer away at you. But it's obvious you were not ready for responses to your question. Instead of leaving to find somewhere where people will tell you what you want to hear, why not hang around and continue to soak up knowledge. Putting up defenses in the face of constructive criticism is never a good thing.

Thanks, Chris!

Dawn, if you can back away from feeling attacked or insulted, you'll see that this board cares a lot about dogs and not all that much about the owners' feelings.

If we can all accept that and understand that it means we are going to get *real* answers ........ then our dogs are going to be the ones who benefit.

I learned long ago to grab the great info and experience you'll find on this board (and very few others) and ignore what seems at first to be absolute disregard for human sensitivity........ no, wait a sec: It IS disregard for human sensitivity. That's not what this forum is about. It's about dogs.

Stick around and learn. You'll also find out that the people who do learn are the ones who help someone else, down the road.

P.S. You left the people who responded hanging, BTW, about the newborns. The last I heard was that the remaining pups were bleeding from the rectum. Maybe I missed the update, but I know I figured the worst had happened.

P.S. If you leave in a huff, guess who loses?

Not us and not you....... but your dogs, present and future.

JMO. Read and ask and read some more.

I guess, yet again, I spoke incorrectly. I never said I was going elsewhere to find my answers. I will just look here further. I really have not seen any other website like this where so many people are willing to give information. I just figure I will stick around and read more. Is that okay.
And the reason I said you make assumptions is that people think I am breeding(which I am not and do not intend to for quite some time, if ever)to make money without paying vet bills. I care very much for my animals, and if they need to go to the vet, I do take them. Hopefully I did not word anything wrong this time.

Dawn,
All I can do is agree with what everyone else said. We all care alot about our animals and that is what we focus on. Maybe if you asked the question without knowing it would have gone differently but you said from the start you knew she was too small. If you are on the internet you have unlimited resources so in combination with this site do a little research yourself. You can go to google and type in boxers and get pages of hits on the breed standard ect...

I also must ask if you had such a bad time and lost your other dog why try it again? This board is full of people smarter then most vets and alot of them dont even breed because it is so risky and hard. (that should tell you something)

And none of us were making assumptions about you breeding. We read your own words that stated the fact you would have had we all agreed she was not too small.

I also understand you could have typed one thing and it not have come out correctly but dont get mad at members for reading what you typed (not what was in your mind) and responding accordingly.

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I guess, yet again, I spoke incorrectly. I never said I was going elsewhere to find my answers. I will just look here further. I really have not seen any other website like this where so many people are willing to give information. I just figure I will stick around and read more. Is that okay.
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Good plan! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

This QUOTE: I am wondering if, because of her size, would it be okay to breed her. I plan to ask the vet, but I wanted to see what I could find out here. We just figured we would ask the vet, and if he said okay, then we would if she ever came into heat. END

is what everyone reacted to.

It's good to read that you didn't actually mean that. And that you are here to ask and read and learn. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />