I don't know anything about Dobes <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I was told by a friend that they were Warlocks. Does anybody have info on this type of Doberman?

Warlock Dobes are just oversized. There was actually a Dobe named Warlock at one point, and I think initially the term was an attempt to compare type with this dog. The dogs referred to as "Warlock" these days have nothing whatsoever to do with him though. I Don't have anything against big Dobes per se; but their ex-rays better come back damned clean and their health screening better be thorough. Not always the case with "oversize" breeders.

I just got a msg. from another poster on my dilute Dobermans list saying that they've had arguments with these "elite family dogs" people for years (she mentioned that EFD also used to be in the giant Rottweiler trade, no surprise) -- Seems they target buyers with more money than dog-sense, which is obvious from their marketing ploy & the tenor of their 2 letters of recommendation...

You have to wonder about dogs that are label as giants or over large dobie and any other breeds .Certain breeds that are not meant to be "giants" , are probably not even pure (I am not saying all).I have seen a dobie mix- the dam was dobie and father black great dane, this offspring looked like a pure bred Dobie if it was'nt for his 160 lbs figure.He's owner said that he is approched by owners of pure bred DOBIES often to use his dog as a stud for their females(thank goodness he is fixed) but you wonder what papers were these breeders going to give out, maybe none ,but you wonder.
Angelique

Our stud-dog (Dobie) is bigger than standard (over 100 lbs), but he's all Dobe. He's registered, comes from German working and American show lines, and has passed all the required health-screening (including OFA ratings)and is pretty much everything I like to see in a Dobe; EXCEPT he really is too big. We like the substance that he gives to his pups (who tend to be on the larger side of normal) but don't see any reason to perpetuate his size. I can't imagine what the benefit of having a "giant" version of anything could be. Especially considering the shorter life-span of larger dogs. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I have a Larger than standard size GSD, I was able to buy him because the breeder knew he was going to be bigger than most standard and for SCHUTZHUND competition he likes his dogs more on the medium size.I will be competing with this dog and a lot of people that come to our club are always amazed how big this dog is .He is 10 months now , and weighs98 lbs.He is real thick.Now like you if all goes well, I am sure he'll attract female owners who want to add more thickness to their off springs et.. But their are many dogs that are mixed and look like pure breds and are sold as pure breds.I am not against mixed breeds, but to be sold as pure is a problem. For instance we had a seminar last year and someone came with a Mal and great dane mix, beautiful animal, but yet again he looked like an oversize Mal and acted like a mal , I would bet that if she bred that dog with a mal she would get a lot of pups looking more like Mals and she could sell them in the papers as pure and people would never know it, it's done all the time.
I think when you see a great dane size doberman , you really have to wonder.And again I am not saying that I think all over sized dogs are not pure but I am sure that some of those dogs advertised as giants are not <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I get what you're saying....I've seen some oversized Dobes that looked to be part Dane or even Rotti. At least they can't be registered, which should send up a red flag for potential owners.

I think it's great to have conversations about these types of dogs so that people can get educated.So many people just buy dogs blindly and breed them blindly in an effort to try and create their own breeds.You have minnies now! We saw a "minnie" bulldog that looked to me like a pug, but a bit thicker. It's a bit crazy, when you see the shelter full of mix breed dogs that are waiting weeks to be adopted and some never do.But if you put a name behind it Like "Minnies" and"giants" it sells.

The sad part of something like that is; more attention is given to size than health in those circumstances. It's SO unfair to the animals. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

You see this all the time, professional athletes, folks in the entertainment industry and so on. They'll have this HUGE, like 140lb supposedly GSD. Imagine trying to heft that monster through a window to perform a building search. and it is not just restricted to working dogs, I know folks that will try bringing a 115-120lb lab duckhunting in a boat, and you talk to them and tell them that this can be DANGEROUS, yet they WANTED the BIG dog. And often these are the folks with high dollar rigs, which comes back to the too much money and not enough sense point. I also know folks that have GSPs and GWPs that wiegh in at around 105lbs, and in spite of advice to the contrary seem to be adamant about breeding those dogs. We're talking about hunting pheasant and quail here, not running cougars! LOL!
The larger dogs are more dominant, eat more, deficate more, have more health issues, and do not hunt well with other dogs. so what is the point there?