 Re: AFS meat eater diet?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#117874 - 11/14/2006 09:39 PM |
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Reading on, I see hints that, exactly as Alice says, they supplied zoos, rescue facilities, and wildlife parks for many years, jumping on the raw bandwagon for companion animals when the time was right.
Nice catch, Alice. I admit that what prompted my search for info was what I thought were awfully low prices.
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
[Re: alice oliver ]
#117875 - 11/14/2006 09:42 PM |
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I clicked on the FAQ tab on the website and the charcoal info is addressed first. They state that adding charcoal is required by USDA? to differentiate human grade meats from animal grade...or something to that effect.
Interesting, as I do not recall Wellness (Mother Hubbard) adding charcoal to their food, and yet *it* is fit for human consumption, they reported they just can't say "fit for human consumption" on their labeling due to nutritional guidelines and standards for humans versus canines.
Wellness of course is canned though, not raw meat product like AFS.
Boy, this Animal Food Services sure supplies a lot of information and really appears to be on the pro canine health side for them to be dishing out rotten meat. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
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#117876 - 11/14/2006 09:42 PM |
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.....Pros/cons? I did do a search but the only posts I came up with were never responded to....
I'm glad you posted, Amber. This is a piece of information that I would want to have.
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#117877 - 11/14/2006 09:45 PM |
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Great, <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I thought it was my answer to a quicker easier way than the way I have been doing it.I guess I will freeze ahead and go that route for now. I cancelled my order.
Thanks for the great eyes you guys have........
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
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#117878 - 11/14/2006 09:55 PM |
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4D...what specifically does that mean? In USDA terms? Ok, not fit for human consumption...
I'm just throwing this one out there...
I personally prefer the freshest meat possible. I know others who don't mind a bit of age on it, after all, a bit of smell scrapes right off and it tastes all fine and good "fried up with sum onions" and then I have, honestly, seen someone grill a ribeye steak that was actually grey/ green and eat it after grilling. EEEw. (by the way, the man did not get sick, is still alive and kickin, prolly still grilling green steaks)
Now. What exactly is fit for human consumption? A USDA stamp? And well, we all know how the government works...
Condemned meat. Is it filled with disease? Just a day past fresh? Any and all of the above?
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
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#117879 - 11/14/2006 10:09 PM |
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Q. What does “4-D meats” mean and does AFS use them?
A. The term 4-D meat is used to describe dead, dying, disabled or diseased animals, which means animals that have died other than by slaughter.
AFS does not use any 4-D material in our diets. AFS uses meat sourced only from USDA inspected packinghouses that have been passed for human consumption or passed by the inspector as suitable for animal foods.
Quote from AFS website FAQ's.
Well, I just kept reading on FAQ, and there it is, they use only meat that has been passed for human consumption.
Interestingly enough, the USDA plant is located right there in the same complex as the AFS plant there in WI.
What to make of this? Are they flat out lying?
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
[Re: Michele McAtee ]
#117880 - 11/14/2006 10:14 PM |
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Ok, so it is,
"or passed by the inspector as suitable for animal foods"
That's the catch. I wonder if that inspector lost his job due to the reports with FDA and Breeders Choice.
Very interesting stuff. Makes me want to go read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle.
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
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#117881 - 11/14/2006 10:22 PM |
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..........Well, I just kept reading on FAQ, and there it is, they use only meat that has been passed for human consumption....
QUOTE: AFS uses meat sourced only from USDA inspected packinghouses that have been passed for human consumption or passed by the inspector as suitable for animal foods. END
sounds like "passed for human consumption" OR "passed as suitable for animal foods." That means nothing, to me, except that it's legal animal food (or maybe better, but not necessarily).
The 4D thing.......... I am reading more. The comment by Dr. Jean Hofve to the FDA was dated early 2003, so I am looking for more recent stuff.
EDIT: Sorry, Michele; I didn't see your last post before I made this one.
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
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#117882 - 11/14/2006 10:29 PM |
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For me (I mean for my dogs), the age of the meat isn't nearly as compelling as the possibility of diseased meat.
This is part of my by-products issue, too....... I certainly don't think some feathers or beaks or even less attractive parts will do any harm to a dog, but the possibility of including brain and spinal tissue from big ag-raised slaughter animals is very scary to me.
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Re: AFS meat eater diet?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#117883 - 11/14/2006 10:43 PM |
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the age of the meat isn't nearly as compelling as the possibility of diseased meat.
if meat has spoiled, whether from age or contamination with feces, for example, it can make your dog very sick.
i looked into AFS several years ago when i first started feeding raw, and passed on them back then. my breeder was adamantly against feeding AFS and when i looked into it, what i found backed her up.
the whole idea of feeding a raw diet is to feed the dog healthy food. food that did not pass USDA inspection is not healthy food. just because it came from an inspected facility doesn't mean that condemned meat doesn't happen there.
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