By their nature some of the protection sports can not be as organised as Sch, because they are not a test of a dogs ability to follow a routine that every one knows down pat. Each trial may have new and different scenarios,different distractions in ob etc, but they do need to get more professional, and consistent , in the scoring. Even if it is a new scenario, decoys , helpers and judges should have it worked out before the day. But when you are new and small, you have to use and appreciate your volunteers as best you can, till hopefully they learn the ropes.
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Quote: jennifer ruzsa
There's a huge divide between SchH and the "street" protection sports that I believe is unfortunate. The SchH folks view the PSA/ASR folks as thugs, and the PSA/ASR folks view SchH as a worthless sport. If that gap was closed by just a FEW influential members of the SchH camp, then we wouldn't have nearly the problem we have.
Alot of Sch people see ASR as a sport for "people who are too lazy to do tracking", or "people who are only interested in doing bitework", whereas Sch is based almost entirely around obedience and control. You can do both sports, but you have to do Sch first. I know that in Holland many IPO folks consider KNPV very sloppy too. It's all about what you like training for, at the end of the day, that's all it is, training a new set of routines to a good dog. Sport is sport no matter which one you decide to go with.
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I've posted these numbers before ( last year ) and they're probably still accurate fo the numbers of competitors per sport:
SchH:
9,000 U.S. members if you combine the total memberships of DVG, SchH USA, and the WDA/GSDCA.
Overall growth seems to be on a decline mainly due to poor management on SchH USA's part.
PSA:
Somewhere between 200 to 400 membership after a fairly large membership decrease in the past two years. I'm seeing it as closer to 200 now and their growth seems fairly stagnant.
ASR:
About 115 members. Not sure where their growth is headed as I'm no longer involved in the sport.
K9 Pro Sports never had more than 40 members and has been between 10 and 15 members for the past several years.
French Ring:
We have some forum members that are officers in NARA and could fill us in on the numbers, I'll bet....
NVBK:
Chris Duhon was a active member/ trainer with them and would be our best bet in getting an idea about their numbers...
Mondio:
Don't know....but not many, not more than a handful.....
WOW... And with these numbers I no longer wonder why it's so hard to start up a protection dog club. Sad.
Jenn
Quote: Will Rambeau
I've posted these numbers before ( last year ) and they're probably still accurate fo the numbers of competitors per sport:
SchH:
9,000 U.S. members if you combine the total memberships of DVG, SchH USA, and the WDA/GSDCA.
Overall growth seems to be on a decline mainly due to poor management on SchH USA's part.
PSA:
Somewhere between 200 to 400 membership after a fairly large membership decrease in the past two years. I'm seeing it as closer to 200 now and their growth seems fairly stagnant.
ASR:
About 115 members. Not sure where their growth is headed as I'm no longer involved in the sport.
K9 Pro Sports never had more than 40 members and has been between 10 and 15 members for the past several years.
French Ring:
We have some forum members that are officers in NARA and could fill us in on the numbers, I'll bet....
NVBK:
Chris Duhon was a active member/ trainer with them and would be our best bet in getting an idea about their numbers...
Mondio:
Don't know....but not many, not more than a handful.....
You know over the years ,I have seen so many new members ,soo excited to do schutzhund and be part of a club ,work their dog
yaddyyaddyyadda, and then shortly they all disappear!
We go from average 15 dogs to 25 dogs back to 12/15 all year long.,we never stay at the same amount of members! or go up in numbers and pass our average.We can't find people to really commit themselves to it, it's like impossible!
So for the most part it's been the 4 of us(steady members) for he past 6 years and now adding 3 extra members that seem to be sticking to it for the past year.One of those members is leaving (entering metros academy) so that will leave us with 6 steady members.Not a big club if you ask me for a big town.And each of us have from 2 to 3 dogs doing Schutzhund.I think that's pretty sad.We don't advertise, maybe we should.
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I see the same thing, people want to play Schutzhund but theres few people who actually strive to compete in it, kinda like playing a videogame with no intention to work thru it to the end. That's also where alot of these "personal protection dog" folks stem from, they wanna do the bitework because it's cool n don't wanna do any of the sport related stuff. Hey nothing wrong with that, not a big deal, I can understand wanting to do only bitework, but that's what these reality based sports are for
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