Re: Pork?
[Re: Yuko Blum ]
#127203 - 01/31/2007 10:40 PM |
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I find it funny that you guys are still posting after the person that started the thread said "thank you for all replies but went back to kibbles"
We just love our raw diet questions, that we can't stop talking about it or educating others about it!
OK so I will answer too anyways hehee,
I give Raw pork and as a matter of fact that was on the menu tonight, but I have used pork at least once a week.Never a problem.I did lamb yesterday,chicken tomorrow...
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Re: Pork?
[Re: Elliot Parker ]
#127206 - 01/31/2007 11:19 PM |
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Does anyone feed raw pork? If so, what parts do you feed? necks, backs, etc... The reason I ask is because I saw a hog butchering/slaughtering facility the other day and thought it might be a place to get bulk at a lower price.
Elliot
Thanks for the replies. I used to feed RAW but switched back to kibble (innova) after it became too expensive and a little time consuming. I really want to switch back but would like to line up some butchers or food suppliers where I can buy in bulk and hopefully save money that way. Thanks again.
-Elliot
Actually, they were explaining that they used to feed raw, went back to kibble but now want to go back to raw but had questions on pork!
Get some sleep Angelique! Just kidding, you have no idea how many posts I have misread at midnight!!
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Re: Pork?
[Re: Amber Morgan ]
#127287 - 02/01/2007 12:20 PM |
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iirr, freezing does not kill trichinosis. you cannot feed wild game--bear, mountain lion--that are trichinosis carriers, no matter how much you freeze. freezing kills parasites like tapeworm cysts or eggs. it should be used on wild game like deer, elk, antelope, moose, etc.
human grade pork no longer has trichinosis in it. or at least it is rare enough an occurance that it is no longer a concern.
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Re: Pork?
[Re: alice oliver ]
#127291 - 02/01/2007 12:34 PM |
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Good point Alice.
Yes, best to pass on the carriers like bear and cougar. Besides, it's kinda creepy to feed carnivores (predators) to other canivores.
I only stick to prey animals. If you want to take the extra precautions, use only human-grade inspected meats and freeze them.
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Re: Pork?
[Re: alice oliver ]
#127292 - 02/01/2007 12:38 PM |
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Good point......... what I have read is that commercial freezing (as opposed to frozen food "storage") will kill trichina worms in commercially-raised pork, but isn't sufficient for game, no matter how low or long it's frozen.
Also, yes, that trichina worms are now very very rare in pork raised for slaughter.
I don't remember why the trichina worms in wild game aren't effectively wiped out with freezing, but I'll try to find the study. I think it was the Utah Department of Health.
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Re: Pork?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#127295 - 02/01/2007 12:51 PM |
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Ah.
QUOTE:
How can trichinosis be prevented?
1. Cook meat products until the juices run clear or to an internal temperature of 170o F.
2. Freeze pork products less than 6 inches thick for 20 days at 5o F to kill any worms.
3. Cook wild game meat thoroughly. Freezing wild game meats, unlike freezing pork products, even for long periods of time, may not effectively kill all worms.
4. Cook all meat or garbage that is fed to pigs or other livestock.
5. Do not allow hogs to eat uncooked carcasses of other animals, including rats, which may be infected with trichinosis.
6. Clean meat grinders thoroughly if you prepare your own ground meats.
7. Curing (salting), drying, smoking, or microwaving meat does not consistently kill infective worms. END from
http://health.utah.gov/epi/fact_sheets/trichino.html
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Re: Pork?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#127297 - 02/01/2007 12:53 PM |
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And from Wikipedia, why game meat isn't rendered safe even by freezing -- because it's a different species of trichina worm.
QUOTE: Freezing wild game meats, unlike freezing pork products, even for long periods of time, may not effectively kill all worms.
This is because the species of trichinella that typically infects wild game is more resistant to freezing than the species that infects pigs. END
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Re: Pork?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#127321 - 02/01/2007 02:27 PM |
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very interesting, connie! thanks for checking on that info and posting it.
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Re: Pork?
[Re: alice oliver ]
#127462 - 02/02/2007 12:19 PM |
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Thanks everyone for all the info! I haven't fed raw pork (or eaten cooked) for years because my ex was a meat-cutter for a major grocery chain and told horror stories about the way commercial pig lots fed the animals. Then he talked about all the stuff he had to cut away and clean up so the meat could be put out in the case..... by the time he was done I was heading back towards vegetarianism! Mind you this was back in the 70's......perhaps the commercial hog farms have cleaned up their acts since then? I'd love to find a better supplier around here but I just look at it like we have a teenage boy added to the food budget! I will look into expanding the menu!
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Re: Pork?
[Re: Saffron K. Hall ]
#127465 - 02/02/2007 12:27 PM |
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pork you get at the meat counter at the supermarket is just fine. simply make sure it is considered human grade, fit for human consumption. many times when you tell butchers it's for a dog, you'll get spoiled meat. don't make that mistake.
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