I would like to emphasize here that Dutch Shepherds are not like GSD's, so when giving advice here, please bare in mind that this is a breed that just bites... they bite everything for fun, they'll fight with their handler just for the fun of fighting with the handler, n sound mean doing it, even though they are just playing. When they get wound up and restrained on a leash, they can go overboard, they'll bite anything around them, the leash, a hand, their own damn tail if it gets near their mouth.

Not a breed I reccomend to someone who doesn't have the skill and commitment to handling a dog like this, ....................for an unskilled or new handler it might not be wise to allow that nuttyness to continue without breaking that behavior a little with a nylon choker. Prong = drive, Choke = break drive. When the drive comes down the dog starts to think more about what they are doing and the handler regains the dogs attention span and can then try to communicate to the dog "Good girl! That's all I wanted from you, don't freak out, just sit down and relax!". I'm sure the folks who've raised really nutty female mali's know what I'm talking about

Strange coincidence-I was just reading something in the Q&A section of Ed Frawley's articles. It was this one,

http://leerburg.com/qaobed1.htm#11mthgsd

And this stood out to me. This is Mr. Frawley's response to a similar question-

3- Dogs that are animal aggressive when on leash have RANK issues with their owners. They don’t respect the owners pack leadership. The pack leader decides when aggressive is appropriate – never a lower pack member.

4- A dog like this should never be take outside without his electric collar on – the best of all worlds is to make the dog wear it and NEVER Have to use the button. The biggest mistake in the world is to own one and not have it on the dog when you need it. In this case you have to change the way you approach the dog – it has to wear the collar ALL THE TIME and it must get a shock for even LOOKING at another dog. It cant EVEN LOOK at one much less fight. When you allow it to get to the fighting level the dog will think that the pain of the correction comes from the other dog and not from the handler.


I don't know if this applies to this breed or this situation, but it seemed appropriate to the poster's question. It wasn't clear to me from the original post if the dog is really being aggressive or just goofy, although she did call it aggression in the title of the post.

for an unskilled or new handler it might not be wise to allow that nuttyness to continue without breaking that behavior a little with a nylon choker. Prong = drive, Choke = break drive. When the drive comes down the dog starts to think more about what they are doing and the handler regains the dogs attention span and can then try to communicate to the dog "Good girl! That's all I wanted from you, don't freak out, just sit down and relax!". I'm sure the folks who've raised really nutty female mali's know what I'm talking about

Just my $0.02.

Prong = drive, Choke = break drive

Question on how you worded this ...

 Quote: mike j schoonbrood

Prong = drive, Choke = break drive

What do you mean by this? Don't both tools do the same type of job? Since using the prong with my dog if she makes any move that could constitute real or imagined aggresion she gets corrected automatically. So in my limited experience the prong breaks her drive?????

The prong breaks her drive because that's what she's been conditioned to believe. "When you get corrected it means I am displeased with what you just did".

It's all about a dogs temprement and how you condition the dog to respond to a prong. I am never mad at my dogs when I prong them, and always very up and enthusiastic, so the dog learns that the prong isn't anything to fear, but becomes a motivator for the dog.

Why else do you think handler aggressive dogs will bite their handler when corrected with a prong? Because the dog is reacting to pain by turning on and going into drive.

With a pinch you can bring up drive, the choke obviously does the opposite by restricting the ability to breathe.

 Quote: geoff empey

Question on how you worded this ...

 Quote: mike j schoonbrood

Prong = drive, Choke = break drive

What do you mean by this? Don't both tools do the same type of job? Since using the prong with my dog if she makes any move that could constitute real or imagined aggresion she gets corrected automatically. So in my limited experience the prong breaks her drive?????

The prong breaks her drive because that's what she's been conditioned to believe. "When you get corrected it means I am displeased with what you just did". It's all about a dogs temprement and how you condition the dog to respond to a prong. I am never mad at my dogs when I prong them, and always very up and enthusiastic, so the dog learns that the prong isn't anything to fear, but becomes a motivator for the dog. Why else do you think handler aggressive dogs will bite their handler when corrected with a prong? Because the dog is reacting to pain by turning on and going into drive.