Don't apologize, and please keep offering your suggestions.

Came home, he came out of the crate still sleepy. Took him outside and he just peed. Seemed a little uninterested in exploring like he usually does, but having just woke, it's understandable.

Now he's playing with his toys and really wants to eat. I'm not sure if I should feed him, but if I do I won't feed him bones (although he had a duck wing for breakfast).

Here's a pic of the bone he pooped this morning ( bone ). Seems like it has sharp edges. What I don't understand is why would he have blood in his stool this morning before he pooped the bone.

Anywhere I can go to read up on the bowel issue? I seem to know nothing about that, and know I should.

I missed the "you called the vet" posts.
I had to take my Mal to the vet while I was out of town and that vet was against raw.
Was going on and on about how good my mal looked and how healthy she was til I told her that.
She started to lecture and I politely (yes ME polite) pointed out what she had been saying about the dog prior to asking what I fed and that if she would kindly just finish the health check so I could get her on the plane, that would be great.....

Anyway, the blood in the stool before the exiting bone....hmmm how can I put this??


Have you ever had a sliver that you either did not feel or could not remove and it gets like a little pocket of "goo" around it like a pimple? Then when you squeeze it the "goo" come out and the sliver slides out too?

The bone MIGHT have been a bit lodged, ruptured a small blood vessel and that is why the "goo" came out before the "sliver"

I know, probably a bad analogy, but it is all I can think of....

I would politely ask whatever vet you choose to withhold the lecture and treat your dog if it is needed.
My vet supports my raw diet, however he would never promote it. He likes the way my dogs look and act, but he would never try it on his own dogs.....this is where WE have taken the plunge, seen the results and learned how to feed correctly. Some just cannot step of the platform even though they see how good it is.
I am always learning about raw, my nose is always buried in old posts, books and articles.

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"Hi, I want you to check my puppy because I feed him raw even though everybody tells me not to, and because today there was blood in his poop and later a bone came out of his ass".

I'm also not trying to minimize your concern but I have to tell you that may be the funniest thing I've read on this site. I'm still giggling.

Hey, if it's that big of a concern you don't have to tell the vet you feed raw. You could just tell them your dog ate a bird, or a neighbor's chicken. They don't have to know you actually fed it to them on purpose.

Personally, I prefer greeting these things head-on, but in this case it's not the point...if your dog needs vet care, you don't need to pay for a lecture as well.

Yes, still a puppy. 10 weeks on Thursday. He was doing great before this incident, though.

My criteria for finding a vet would be one that wasn't totally against raw feeding, or one that actually knows something about it. The best I got from my yellow pages was one that said that he recommends feeding human food to sick dogs, but cooked, and suggested brown rice. He then said dogs were omnivores. Since I had not given my name, I hung up as soon as I heard that.

I might try the yellow pages again. There were some vets that were having lunch.

I also considered telling the vet that the dog ate a chicken wing that I accidentally dropped and didn't want to take it away from him for fear that he would gulp it & choke.

The bone came out pretty quick. I actually thought it was a slim stool, but after he finished and I went to pick it up, I saw it was a bone.

He was very hungry so I fed him a small amount of duck meat (w/out bone), three small pieces of Cantaloupe and two teaspoons of plain yogurt.

So you guys do recommend I take him to the vet to have this checked out? I will do the yellow pages and ask them what they think about raw diets, but I'm 95% sure I won't get lucky.

He seems energetic and eager to play (and had his full appetite), but his butt seems to be bothering him a little. Not sure if I'm being paranoid, but he's sitting as if he were scratching it, or wanted to. Then again, a bone came out of there a couple of hours ago!

I'm glad you all laughed at my simulation introduction Sadly, it's exactly how I feel.

I would go ahead and take him in and have him checked out.
Peace of mind is priceless IMHO and if he is concious of his rear end that much, something may be going on.

I would just not mention that you feed raw over the phone and cross the bridge when you get there.

If it is in fact anything then you know to add probiotics and maybe hit the chicken with a hammer to break it into smaller pieces for awhile. (or I cut them into bite size chunks with kitchen scissors) This is what I do with my Mal as she swallows legs whole....this way I am confident that she is not going to have issues with a 4" bone.

Could it be coincidence? I just had a few pups w/blood in their stool, and it turned out that it was from worms. Could the bone just happened to pass through after a little blood from worms? Otherwise I'd say I agree w/Carol-just happened to situate itself in a place where it broke a few blood vessels. Bright red blood is fresher, dark or black stool is more reason for concern. If he's acting spunky, I'd wait, or make sure he's healthy, and then worm him. Wormer only works on the later stages of the worm, so it's possible that at 10 weeks, you're encountering worm effects from worms that were too small to be killed (in the larvae phase) at the breeders. Just a thought based on my recent experience.

Not trying to scare you, but the "yellowish liquid" thing jumped out at me after I reread my post. If that continues today, take him in. Again, not trying to scare you, BUT, Parvo is often first noticed by yellowish or light brown diarrhea w/or w/out blood. Check his temp if you can; he'd most likely have a fever if the Evil P was to blame. Normal is between around 100.5-102ish, 102.5. By your description, this does NOT sound like Parvo; I just felt I should mention the signs since so many people search this board for health opinions/diagnosis help w/out posting their particular problem.

Took him outside just now and he tried to poop, but just a drop of liquid came out (no blood). Called a vet and the assistant told me that he could've either perforated his intestine (hence the blood) or is constipated and hurts him, so that's why he didn't go. He said he would give him a laxative or something for the stomach, depending on what the $75 x-ray revealed.

I guess I'll go for my peace of mind. He's acting as if everything is ok, though, and wants to play and bite as usual.

I am not sure I would be sticking anything in there due to the "evidence" at hand.

IE: Blood in the stool, sharp piece of bone expelled, more blood in the stool.

If there IS anything torn or punctured remotely close to where the thermometer would be placed, it could make things worse.

In my experience, Parvo pups are generally lethargic, have nasty smelling watery stool and do not have appetites and he states that the dog was energetic, playing and hungry.

http://www.workingdogs.com/parvofaq.htm

Please know that the "watery stool" made me think about that also, but the other factors do not match at this time.

Called for a second opinion, and the vet told me he thought that the pup was ok. "Thank God nothing happened. Dogs have a hard time digesting bones No need to bring him. If he looses appetite, or if he has blood in his next poop, then bring him over."

Edited to add: that he told me he thought the dog was fine because he was energetic and hungry.

I would be happy with that, and like he said, if anything changes just take him on in.

That's great!