Matthew Grubb Webboard User Reg: 09-27-2002
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Lets address the training problem….
I’d put the dog on a long line for 3rd party corrections… then have the handler put the dog in a down and hold him with a lead on a flat collar. The handler would have the dog’s toy handy.
I’d start with drawing the gun and assuming a shooting stance. I’d do this over and over, rewarding the dog with the toy until he’s de-sensitized to the physical drawling of the gun.
Then we’d progress to dry firing… then a cap-gun…. Then .22 blanks…then half load blanks… then live fire.
It would probably take months to fix the problem…. But it can be fixed.
As far as the video goes… if that was my work dog, I’d have gotten torn up. The trainer assumes it’s a dominance issue… to me it’s a combo of frustration and sensitivity.
We had gunfire aggression issues with our first two dogs. They were both titled dogs and all of their exposure to gunfire involved biting the gun shooting decoy. It’s only natural that they became aggressive to gunfire. Neutral is the key!
Anne Vaini Webboard User Reg: 07-14-2005
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Thank you for clarifying Matthew. I watched it a couple times, but I had a hard time figuring out what the original issue was. I could see that the 'correction' was excessive, BUT as Kevin Sheldahl points out, the officer is following the training instructor's orders. I think that is the part that bugged me - I mean the training instructor not the handler.
I was watching the video, not understanding completely what had happened and thinking, "what's the right thing to do?"
Your solution makes a lot of sense, especially compared with the video.
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006
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Quote: david c.frost
I've seen that film several times. Still can't figure out exactly what he's trying to teach the dog. Obviously, and worse yet, neither can the dog.
DFrost
This is exactly what made me angry, the fact that the dog had NO CLUE what was going on or why he was being treated in that manner. As Howard said, it was a minor nipping offense. And to me, it didn't even seem the nipping had any aggression behind it, it looked like nervous nipping, the dog anticipating the climate and what was to come with the handler. It has probably been treated in similar manner previously, adding to his confusion. That's what I saw on the part of the dog, and the reaction was nothing short of brutality. I fault the handler as well as the instructor. If a person doesn't know he's being brutal, then he has a problem, no matter who's telling him to do it. The dog is supposed to be a fellow officer, isn't he?
Then they're so proud of their treatment/"training" of this dog that they put it on youtube??? Looks like an over-the-top macho problem to me. Instructor needs to be fired, handler needs a wake-up call, and dog needs to be rescued before he's ruined.
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003
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I understand, as Kevin stated, that the instructor is the main culprit here. Even though the handler is assumedly new...his anger still came forth and things just get worse from there. From what I saw it was no big deal what the dog did. It was however, a clue that there is a problem and it should be fixed before further gunfire training is conducted.
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006
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I do see what you're saying about the instructor being the main culprit. I'm assuming (and hoping) that had the instructor addressed the anger of the handler (at the VERY least), the handler would have checked himself. Yet the handler looked way beyond the intervention point quite early on; he was out of control almost the whole time. And the dog seemed young to me, not sure. Are new K9 handlers normally assigned to new dogs?
Had I tried that with my only 9 mo old today GSD, he would have ripped my face off, certainly would never have stayed down. I'm afraid that the dog in the video may be pretty much ruined for facing a criminal; I fear for his future safety.
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Re: HOW NOT TO TRAIN A POLICE K9 !!!!!!!
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