P.S. I forgot until long after I posted this morning that my senior adopted guy from last summer threw up and had diarrhea with his first meal of raw food after 7-8 years on kibble.

I gave him just the breast meat the next day, chopped up, with no egg or other stuff. He was eating the same as the others within a week.

He was less violent than your guy, though --- one episode. I'd go with the gentle bland route for your guy.

This scraggly senior guy has become shiny (and cleaner-toothed) every day on real food, and his moderate lameness when he came has almost disappeared on fish oil, real food, and glucosamine-group supplements.

This pup is doing everything in his power to make me worry about him. I swear, it's like having another child. I'm overloaded with concerns for him at the moment:

http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=135219#Post135219

I'm sorely tempted to go back to the Innova until the probiotics and chicken backs arrive within the next week. Bad idea? I have to say, my confidence is seriously messed up at the moment.

I saw that.

I'd probably want to continue with the slow slooooow intro, and you have all that white meat........

But don't stress yourself beyond saving.

P.S. I gather his energy level is not diminished from the vomiting sessions.

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P.S. I gather his energy level is not diminished from the vomiting sessions.

No, apparently not. Sigh.

I want to do what's best for him, and I have much respect for your advice. So I'll follow it and we can all laugh at how worried I was in a few weeks!

the explosive, watery stools would concern me. that is a symptom of pancreatitis. did you remove all the fat and skin from the chicken you gave him? it's important to do that when you first switch over.

follow connie's advice. i'd only add, with the runs that severe, you might want to fast him a full 24 hours and start with just rice boiled in chicken broth, no meat at all. then add boiled chicken, no fat or skin, very gradually to the rice.

if he isn't producing solid, normal stools in a few days, or the explosive diarrhea continues, please get him to the vet.

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the explosive, watery stools would concern me. that is a symptom of pancreatitis. did you remove all the fat and skin from the chicken you gave him? it's important to do that when you first switch over.

follow connie's advice. i'd only add, with the runs that severe, you might want to fast him a full 24 hours and start with just rice boiled in chicken broth, no meat at all. then add boiled chicken, no fat or skin, very gradually to the rice.

if he isn't producing solid, normal stools in a few days, or the explosive diarrhea continues, please get him to the vet.

Good points, Alice.

Yikes. No, I didn't remove the skin. I honest don't remember hearing that.

I will absolutely be alert to what's going on, and will not hesitate to take him to the vet if this continues. I'll see how tonight goes. It seems to be that night-time is the worse.

Please tell me that pancreatitis is reversable. No wait, I'm already paranoid.

I'll check back in tomorrow and see if all goes well. Question, when you guys do chicken broth, do you do the low or no sodium kind or just the regular kind? I'm assuming that the chicken broth should have some electrolytes to help him through this? I've heard of people using Pedialyte for that reason. Is that something that I should consider? And whether broth or Pedialyte...how much should be given? He is drinking a decent amount and peeing.

Thanks for keeping an eye out.

I throw a piece of chicken with no skin/fat into water and boil it, then cool the water for broth.

I do this if the dog is refusing water and I think he needs encouragement to drink more.

If I had to, I'd have no problem with no-sodium-added (not "lower sodium") commercial broth, but the regular kind is too salty for a water source.

But you say he's drinking OK.

A day of no food, when he is drinking and peeing fine, is not a problem requiring electrolytes, etc. JMO.

Let us know how last night went, OK?

Poor you, Amber!
I'm surprised you haven't had a heart attack after everything that Carbs put you through these past few days!!
Here, have a hug.

Make that two hugs.

You received very good advice on the feeding issue.

Personally I would've started the raw transition with the chicken breasts, not the wings. Then again, you had no way of knowing he'd have such a horrible reaction!
Even though I usually stay away from wings (they're pretty much bones, fat and skin - not the easiest combination to digest for any dog), most dogs would be fine with them so it's not like you made a bad choice. You really had no way of knowing... I certainly hope he's ok and doesn't have pancreatitis!


I don't give my dogs canned chicken broth because of the sodium (even low sodium broth has lots of salt in it, very bad for dogs).
You can just simmer the chicken meat and bones in water and make his broth yourself (obviously you'd throw out the cooked bones before feeding the broth).
Pedialyte is good to add for electrolytes.

Lightly cooked eggs (no oil or fat added of course) are also a nutritious and extremely easy to digest meal for a sick dog.
Moka used to have diarrhea episodes all the time back when she was on kibble, and in her case, rice or any grain just made the problem worse.
The only thing that seemed to soothe her system was cooked white chicken meat and scrambled eggs. The eggs are more nutritious than chicken alone and seem to be equally well tolerated

Once he's over the diarrhea and you're comfortable going back to raw, I'd stick to only skinless boneless meat with all the fat removed.

At least for a week or so until he's handling that much.

You can try adding in one or two chicken backs after a few days to see how he does.

Best of luck to poor you and Carbs!!!

Don't worry that he's thin. Growing puppies (and all dogs in fact) are supposed to be thin and not well padded out anyway

Please keep us posted!!