Sorry Enrique, maybe you haven't done enough research since you think that a SchH won't protect you when the "heat is on" or whatever, you have doubts, yes, but don't know for sure. You could contact your local law enforcement agency and talk to them about how they train, where, if there's someone who does the training elsewhere. Just a few examples. No need to get too terribly upset, the people on this forum are honest and open about how they feel(myself included) that why I said I was way off base and that I was SORRY if I was.
The basic purpose for this forum is to help and be helped, give advice and receive advice-take it with a grain of salt. If someone can't help you, there's always someone who will. We all wonder about the well-being of dogs and owners and are just looking after eachother. Again, sorry if I upset you.

Keleah, I'm not upset. I just wish people would not get a "feeling" every time they hear the word "fight". Even Ed uses it when he refers to "fight" drive. Yes, you're right, I have my doubts and I believe a lot of the experts here will tell you that sport is NOT for real. What I seek is advice, not people reading into what's not there. Again, i will pose the question. If I want a dog that will protect for real what are my best options?
BTW Keleah, sorry if I fliped...

A SchH dog will not necessarily protect you in a real life situation, same goes for any other sport dog...French Ring, Mondio Ring, PSA, etc....That being said, I personally know current Police Dogs that have their foundation in SchH, French Ring & KNPV.

Some sport dogs are capable of real protection, others are not. Many Police dogs have their foundation in & may even be titled in SchH, French Ring, KNPV, etc...It's more about the individual dog and what it brings to the table (and the subsequent training), than it is about the sport per se. My trainer/coach has a SchH1 dog that is without question angry, hard-biting & a 'real' protection dog and is on par with any Police Dog that I have ever seen.

The sports that probably have the best, proven track record of producing Police quality dogs, per capita, are Belgian Ring & KNPV, but again it comes down to the individual dog & Training.

Your best options for dog would probably be a Mal, GSD or Dutch Shepherd from working lines that is at least 12 months old. At this age you will be able to see what the dog likely about, aggression, prey, play, defense threshold, etc...

My last bit of advice s to find a young adult dog that is genetically capable of this work, trying to create/manufacture a dog that is 'real' (not genetically capable) will not work.

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Your best options for dog would probably be a Mal, GSD or Dutch Shepherd from working lines that is at least 12 months old. At this age you will be able to see what the dog likely about, aggression, prey, play, defense threshold, etc...

That is a good idea, but if you are just starting out and are new to training for protection, this would be ill-advised, because the dog has already built a bond with the handler and hasn't bonded with you. Yes, I do know that dogs are sold all the time that have already had training, to people who have the experience with that level of protection. If you are a novice a 12 month old dog is probably not what you want for your first dog.
This is JMHO, I would rather have a bond with the dog that is going to protect me, me do the training with help from an pro trainer/handler.

I have a 6 yr old gsd from Czech Republic ZVV1 titled. Will not go on names because I had already posted this info on another thread. I want to work with her though. Also, I'm getting a pup (gsd working line) and I'm thinking about another male (older maybe fron Jinopo, kreative or Eurosport). So, let's say we do ring work, what would follow? Different scenario training? Situational training? How would/do people test for protection? How do they know a dog would be ready? What would be the difference between civilian/police training? Is it possible for a civilian to have a police trained dog? I know, it's many q's...thx for the info.

enrique.

Enrique, this has been covered a lot before if i remember right. John gave good advice, some others clearly have never even been involved in any kind of protection training but have opinions about it, weird thing to do..., Good luck finding the right dog and the right trainer, once you do that you're well on your way to having a great dog,
AL

Speaking from the perspective of someone who is just getting into protection training, I'm hoping my Czech GSD pup will eventually develop fight drive. We will see; from what I know about fight drive and what I've seen in the pup in the last few months I believe he will. He's only 9 mos and only been to 2 bite training/obedience sessions with a professional so we have a long ways to go.

I WANT my dog to have fight drive, absolutely, and build up the skills and confidence he needs to have that drive brought out. I like the way Lear's trainer put it: a Navy Seal, skilled in fight, at a bar minding his own business when a brawl ensues between 4 other guys. The Seal isn't involved, he could care less and continues to drink his beer. He doesn't get involved....but if they start fighting with him, he defends himself. He's not a threat to anyone just cause he's skilled in fighting...he is however, a threat if someone chooses to fight with him.

That's what I want in my dog, absolutely.

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I like the way Lear's trainer put it: a Navy Seal, skilled in fight, at a bar minding his own business when a brawl ensues between 4 other guys. The Seal isn't involved, he could care less and continues to drink his beer. He doesn't get involved....but if they start fighting with him, he defends himself. He's not a threat to anyone just cause he's skilled in fighting...he is however, a threat if someone chooses to fight with him.

That's what I want in my dog, absolutely.

That's what I'd want from my dog. I love what Lears' trainer said, very well put.

THANK YOU STEVEN! Those are some answers that actually help.

I agree with Al- This question is not for people who are not experienced enough to answer the questions.

I am not new to protection training & I understand all the "disclaimer" crap that everyone tries to tell you everytime smoeone mentions a PPD. I know how to use many guns very well (better than I train dogs).

I know the dog has to have the genetics,
I know the dog wil benefit/should have a foundation in sports. (Let's not kid guys, a sport do will probably not protect you. Face the facts. If you really now how modern-day protection sports work, you'd understand this.)

In my opinion, a "bluff dog" or any form of "alert" or on-biting dog should NOT be considered a ppd. That may be a detterant but it is not what a personal protection dog is supposed to be. That's easy to train any dog but it does not make the dog a ppd.

a Personal Protection Dog (ppd) to me, is a dog who has the confidence, control, stability, and capabilities to defend you against someone by biting, fighting, etc. until you have time to call cops, get gun, escape, or shoot the person. The dog should then be called off to guard & attack in protection again if needed, esacpe with me, or remain near me so I can aim & fire. It does it's job and it goes back to being my best-friend dog after. The responsibility is GREAT and is similar to handling a gun. I understand....I hope it never has to escalate to this level, but I would like a dog to be an extra layer of protection if I ever need it. Plus it's darn fun training!!!!!

So, with all this in mind, please read my original post and help me become more clear in how one would train specifically for a dog to become all it is needed to be as a ppd. Thanks Experts!

I have & am currently researching it more and would like to ask questions to fill in the gaps of my knowledge. I believe I have the personality and dedication/time to take a dog to ppd level with the right genetics.

Steve: What types of things do an experienced evaluator notice about a dog who is being tested to see if they can handle the ppd work? Besides previous titling (which doesn't mean much).