 Re: Puppy Joints is it a myth.. jump/run concerns
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#140598 - 05/04/2007 10:16 AM |
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I guess like with a RAW diet, look to the wild for answers. I don't think we will ever see a wolf bitch restricting her pups from jumping, frolicking or climbing up a rocky pass. I also don't think nature would ever hardwire pups with innate physical/athletic urges if it were bad for them.
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Re: Puppy Joints is it a myth.. jump/run concerns
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#140599 - 05/04/2007 10:20 AM |
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John, I like your common sense 
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Re: Puppy Joints is it a myth.. jump/run concerns
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#140624 - 05/04/2007 01:51 PM |
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Well that is true , but some humans over do it too with their pups.And in nature they don't jump off rocks that were too high for them to get on.Example, we help a pup on a couch that himself couldn't have gotten on top of on his own...yet we let him jump off the couch, I don't know that that is a good thing either.I always say if the pup could not get on it on his own he SHOULD NOT be on it with our help.You do have to be concern to a certain level of bone and joint stress you can put on a pup.You have to be fair to the whole thing...And see the whole picture, nature as it's way to make everything sensible.. 
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Re: Puppy Joints is it a myth.. jump/run concerns
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#140634 - 05/04/2007 02:19 PM |
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In nature only the alphas are allowed to mate/breed. The alphas are usually the strongest. I doubt there is much problem with hips/joints in the wild. Since man makes the decisions on who breeds, unfortunately there are hip/joint issues in our dogs. We have to try to level the playing field by providing optimum conditions for our puppies, which means limit the jumping & hard running.
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In nature only the alphas are allowed to mate/breed. The alphas are usually the strongest. I doubt there is much problem with hips/joints in the wild. Since man makes the decisions on who breeds, unfortunately there are hip/joint issues in our dogs. We have to try to level the playing field by providing optimum conditions for our puppies, which means limit the jumping & hard running.
Good point Susan. I would hope that at least a portion of serious breeders would be selecting for strength and soundness, in addition to temperment and other things - in effect acting like mother nature. However, mother nature is often more cruel than even humans can be and her methods for natural selection leave absolutely no room for the weak.
~Natalya
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#140659 - 05/04/2007 04:21 PM |
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I do not disagree, just wanted to point out why it is necessary to use caution with puppies joints.
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[Re: susan tuck ]
#140683 - 05/04/2007 07:41 PM |
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And as Angelique pointed out, it is the people that usually cause the problem. Either by asking to much of a young pup and doing the other unnatural physical stresses that others have mentioned or as Susan mentioned, years of breeding for 'looks' colour etc.
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#140685 - 05/04/2007 08:01 PM |
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I don't think it was because of breeding for looks or color. When man started breeding dogs to conform to standards different from "mother nature's" I think it was probably inevitable that weaknesses were bound to crop up. As problems occur, breeders strive to correct them. I am not criticizing breeders at all.
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Re: Puppy Joints is it a myth.. jump/run concerns
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#140710 - 05/05/2007 09:40 AM |
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I guess a safe observation would be that most physical exertion done out of the pup's innate drive and athletic ability would be ok. In other words, anything close to what their wild counterparts would be doing in their natural environment (no humans asking them to do too much). I just followed what was on Ed's puppy dvd: let them tire themselves out naturally and take heed to a phrase I've penned myself: if they sit, that's it.
I meant "anything close" in the previous paragraph cause I also realized, thanks to Susan, that man has indeed intervened with nature's plan. So I think we must admit that the domesticated dog will never be as physically sound as their wild ancestors. When I read Susan's thread, breeds such as the English Bulldog, Mastiffs, Great Danes came to my mind: dogs with big hip and joint problems thanks to man's design. So I've also come to realize that some care is also needed as well: depending on the breed. Meaning, what may be skeletally safe for a GSD would be asking for trouble with a Mastiff.
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Re: Puppy Joints is it a myth.. jump/run concerns
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#140786 - 05/05/2007 09:03 PM |
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Exactly.
I help lift my pup in and out of the back of my Honda Insight. If he's in a hurry to get out he tries to sneak out via the front seats.
But why would you want to lift them up on the couch to begin with? I don't mind our pup laying at my feet, on my feet or doing the ole lean against my legs and head on my lap (now that he is tall enough) ... but invite him up to the couch? Naw! I want him knowing that his paws ONLY belong on the floor. Not on me, not on the furniture, not on other people, et cetera.
Toodles!
Louanne
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