didier jimenez wrote 05/20/2007 12:27 AM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #142258 - 05/20/2007 12:27 AM
didier jimenez Webboard User Reg: 10-23-2005 Posts: 60 Loc: Offline	well,if it helps,dont you guys think that jinopo over sells dogs too much and some were put under there kennel name,i know i might raise some howls when i mention this..but if you look under jinopo you guys can do your math and you tell me,is it a puppy mill?or not,well to start with there advertising slogan started in the early 90s,czech border patrol dogs,..am i right?and it was during those times when as a newbie as i am still now,it was the first time i saw sable gsds,for i have been expose to those common black and tans,but if you guys got from him and you got the right one well then i am not contesting,i also however am not raising anything here but just voicing out my opinion,.i also cant name a single kennel that can outproduce the said kennel.
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 05/20/2007 12:56 AM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: didier jimenez ] #142259 - 05/20/2007 12:56 AM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	I think Jinopo has a lot of other kennels connected to him ,that sells for him and also buys studs from Jinopo and then advertises the name "jinopo" I have never seen his kennel in person and cant say what he really has, I have seen a few of his dogs and liked them. But I cant say , I know that he does not breed specifically for sable coats, i have seen many different coats on his shepherds. I also know that he charges quiet a bit for his pups and sells out fast.
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Kristine Velasco wrote 05/20/2007 01:37 AM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #142260 - 05/20/2007 01:37 AM
Kristine Velasco Webboard User Reg: 11-27-2005 Posts: 297 Loc: Offline	Jinopo has a good rep from what I know; it could be various kennels just buying a dog from there and again, regardless of its quality, breeding it under what the kennel was known for. From what understand the owner *did* in fact breed border dogs, there were like 3 kennels or something...someone find the link with more information before I say something inaccurate. I would only call a puppy mill a place that churns out puppies without thought for their health. There ARE large scale breeders out there I wouldn't consider puppy mills because even if it's say, just one kennel, they could have any number of people working there and working the dogs. Didier are you having some trouble with some working dog breeders there?
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 05/20/2007 01:57 AM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: Kristine Velasco ] #142261 - 05/20/2007 01:57 AM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	I have never heard anything bad yet from Jinopo. I actually like a lot of his dogs, he has a video of all his studs and females he breeds, I like that about a breeder. Maybe there is some jealousy from other breeders of Czech dogs? I don't know..
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Sandy Moore wrote 05/20/2007 09:58 AM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: didier jimenez ] #142277 - 05/20/2007 09:58 AM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	Quote: didier jimenez ... advertising slogan started in the early 90s,czech border patrol dogs,..am i right?and it was during those times when as a newbie as i am still now,it was the first time i saw sable gsds,for i have been expose to those common black and tans,... Didier, the first GSDs were sables, not black and tans. Going way back to Horand von Grafrath, the first GSD, you can see his pic here: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/1208.html and his important contributing son here (Hektor von Schwaben): http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/1183.html If you go to the site below and plug in any of the names mentioned there into http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd and do a GSD search for them, you can trace forward by progeny and back as well to get an idea of how the colors evolved. http://www.nsgsdc.com/breedhistory.shtml You'll see a lot of important names for the origination of the GSD in those pedigrees, most were sables. My grandfather bred and raised GSDs in the early 1900's, not sure of the years. They were sables as well, his main stud, Wolf, was a gray sable.
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Art Lavely wrote 05/21/2007 08:04 AM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #142339 - 05/21/2007 08:04 AM
Art Lavely Webboard User Reg: 11-06-2006 Posts: 91 Loc: Offline	Well I just checked the web site and they have 30 listed litters so far for 2007. At 6-7 pups per litter, (As an average) that only works out to be about 180-210 pups per year. A far cry than your earlier 1,000 puppies a month claim in your OP. No doubt they are a commercial kennel and produce a fair number of puppies in the main kennel and the two others. Maybe all three kennels combined produce that number, I do not know. And since I do not know, I will not GUESS. What I do know is this: If you have a good dog, then you have a good dog no matter how many or how few the kennel produces or not. The Czech is a poor country and this is an industry for them but unless you have been there and seen it for yourself,then I wouldnt be claiming ANYTHING. You dont have the experience to justify what you are saying IMHO, it is just what you are hearing. Seperating fact from fiction on the internet could easily be a full time occupation if you let it be. Art
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 05/21/2007 01:33 PM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: Art Lavely ] #142367 - 05/21/2007 01:33 PM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	I hope you are addressing it to Didier cause I did not make those claims...
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Art Lavely wrote 05/21/2007 01:54 PM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: Angelique Cadogan ] #142371 - 05/21/2007 01:54 PM
Art Lavely Webboard User Reg: 11-06-2006 Posts: 91 Loc: Offline	Make No Mistake Angelique, I was making a reference to the Original Poster of this thread, I should have made it clearer in my previous post. -I am interested in his response and when he was at the previously mentioned kennel to see all of this.
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didier jimenez wrote 05/23/2007 03:03 AM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: Art Lavely ] #142549 - 05/23/2007 03:03 AM
didier jimenez Webboard User Reg: 10-23-2005 Posts: 60 Loc: Offline	hi i just did my math and if you have been following his litters yes it is between 180 to 210 only,yes; but that is at a given time and now if you look in the next quarter,you would find out another set of litters would be produced at the same estimated numbers..and this goes on year long...well i am no expert ,but for me thats mass production,i heard some stuffs about jinopo,the good and the bad.They also say in a litter only a few are gauged to be good dogs depending on the criteria..just what happens to the excess not fitting there criteria? sold i guess..and at the rate they produce must be a lot of dogs there..i have nothing against jinopo,but just curious if this is good for the breed?the workingline in particular
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Angelique Cadogan wrote 05/23/2007 04:56 PM Re: puppy mills,fad or what have you [Re: didier jimenez ] #142676 - 05/23/2007 04:56 PM
Angelique Cadogan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1725 Loc: Las Vegas Nevada Offline	well it is a lot of dogs but I think you can't expect all the pups produced regardless of the breeders, for ALL to be great, but I can only speak from what I have seen.Nothing bad.But of course i did not see a huge number of Jinopos' dogs.Didier what raises your concern just the amount of pups reproduced? Have you heard bad things on your end? Have you seen dogs from Jinopo that you did not think were worth a cent? what is your experience, just curious, like I said I have never seen Jinopos' kennel in person..
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