Michael West Webboard User Reg: 05-23-2007
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Quote: amber morgan
I'm not a PPD trainer, but I would imagine that a dog that takes "cheap shots" at the decoy after he outs, and can ONLY be stopped by a e-collar around the belly is not suitable for protection work, IMO. At least not with the current trainer, anyway.
John Corbett Webboard User Reg: 08-11-2007
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The first thing that comes to mind directing electrodes to genitals is to gain important information to protect us or our troops from the terrorists. How did Ed put that? Red is positive Black is negative. About the only thing I know about e-collar training is to only use enough stem to get the dog to acknowledge. It's like any other tool that one would use in training. I'm sure it has it's place when properly used. I have read some about ET training and I don't agree with it. Guess I'm going to have to get Ed's DVD on e-collar training to see what it all about.
Thanks. I got my question answered at a training seminar we recently went to...the trainers were directing the collars towards the genitals. They were using them to get the dog to out. Their reasoning is that the dog will turn towards the stimulus thus releasing his grip. We went to a three day seminar with a great French trainer who immediately told them to remove the waist collars as there were better approaches...we'll see if it sticks....
Don't know this dog but can give a general explanation.
Some dogs are easely provoked to start a fight with the decoy. When biting any stimuli comming from the front end will be seen by the dog as an agression towards him from the decoy which will provoke the dog to start fighting. So the stimuli have to come from the rear end in order that the dog aknowledges that it comes from the handler. There are 2 places to put the e-collar at the back end of a dog. Those places are waist and tthe base of the tale.
Michael West Webboard User Reg: 05-23-2007
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Johan,
While i see what your saying. I still think its ridiculous that you haven't trained your dog to the level of knowing who the correction is comeing from.
To be blunt you need to go back to training your dog the basics if you have to strap the e-collar to the dogs genitals to get him to out.
Yes i know about dogs having tunnel vision. My dog goes into that when it comes to bite work. Hell i have a love hate relationship with it. But my dog knows when he is getting corrected vs when he is getting attacked.
The dogs this is done with aren’t the normal dogs they are extreme. They don’t accept a punishment from anybody accept the handler. When they sense that somebody is trying to punish them they will retaliate. They aren’t the dogs for the “average” handler. The trainers that use these methods are expert handlers Eriem from another post is trained with an e-collar on his tail . And I don’t think that there are a dozen trainers of his level in the world
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