Hi Yusrie,

I just wanted to chime in here and say that E collars are NOT harsh, particularly when using a low level stim as Ed suggested.

What they are is VERY effective and, IMO, perhaps even more humane than a prong collar. I have a hard time delivering an effective correction with a prong but there is no such problem using an E collar.

I used it to teach my dog to stop jumping on me and, as Ed said, it worked in one day. I also used it to perfect my dog's recall and again, it worked beautifully. I highly recommend it.

Get Ed's E collar DVD...It explains how to properly condition the dog to the collar and how to use the collar correctly.

The e-collar that Ed referred to is the one I bought, with the DVD he mentioned, which after watching, became evident how important it was to know the info in there.

The e-collar is a remote correction, takes the place of a leash and prong collar. You only use the level of stimulation that your dog responds to. Ed shows how to determine the level on the DVD.

I bought the e-collar in anticipation of a friend visiting me from California for a few days. I knew Lear would be way too assertive and love her "to death". Turns out the e-collar was the saver of my sanity when my friend was visiting. He responded beautifully, and gave her respect and good behavior from day one.

The e-collar also allowed him much more free time in the house, rather than being crated since his behavior improved 100%.

A win-win situation - good for the dog, good for me.

 Quote: yusrie khondker

i will try the remote collar, although i must say i didnt want to go the shocker method with them...i really wanted them to respond well to other methods...but it looks like i will have to be harsher with her.

Get Ed's CD on E-Collar training and watch it over and over. Using an e-collar on a dog is not a "harsher method", when used correctly the only reaction I see from my dog to the nick is a blink of his eyes and the unwanted behavior stops. The collar allows you to deliver the correction as soon as the dog moves to jump on you.

I would also suggest that you read this:

Ed's philosophy on dog training

and this:

Theory of Corrections

most importantly this:

Establishing Pack Structure

I just recently started dog training, and I have found that the way that dog's think is so different than we think, that it is very hard to understand what to do with them.

First example would be the rub the dog's face in it's own doo-doo to make it learn not to poo on the floor. I can't tell you how many people I know told me to do this, and it is just plain wrong. Not only does it not teach the dog anything, it ruins the bond which makes training much harder!

Second example would be alpha rolls. Again, I am sure that at least two if not more people reccommend alpha rolls, but this is so dangerous that it is just plain dumb to do. Again, why would I want to force my dog to do something like that? I think it is disrespectful, and I don't expect my dog to react well to disrespect.

However, if I am a fair and consistant pack leader, my dog will do anything I say! She wants to work for me to make me happy, and I like that. Also, I can gain my alpha status through other, more effective means such as crating her (I decide when she comes out, not her) making her sit while I go through the door first, or down the stairs (alpha always goes first) keeping her by my side on walks ( alpha first), etc. When I started doing these things, my dog had a revelation: He is in control of me. This was a huge first step to squelching bad behavior, and getting the dog to want to learn...

Good luck!!

The e-collar is a great tool. I would also not open the dogs run until she sits or downs (your preference) make her stay until you walk in and get her, heel her out into the yard then free her. Establish control before she can jump on you.

thank you for all the responses, i must say i have read all the links provided by Rick, i have them printed and pasted on the walls in my room and every day before i start the training session i go over the important key points i have summarized.

i do make her sit before she is allowed out and before i feed her and before i allow her anything i make sure i have her sit and look at me and make eye contact then i also tell her to wait, which she does, she does not eat, or exit the enclosure until i say she can.

the problem is when i enter the enclosure to greet her in the morning, and i must say again, this only happens in the mornings. when i see enter in the late afternoon she doesnt do this.

i dont have any problems with other aspects of her behaviour, just the morning greeting. she gets very excited.

i tried the pushing her off and stepping into her b4 she comes up again..LOL..i was way to slow...she is so quick i will have to get faster.

and she does sit until i open the enclosure...once im in i close the door and when i turn towards her..BAM she's up on me.

all the methods i use with them come from leerburg PDFs and suggestions from ppl on this site that have trained good dogs.

i would never stick my dogs nose in his poo. they only go twice a day, after the morning feeding when we go out to the field, and after the evening feeding when we go out.

she is not a bad dog, she does listen to me 95% of the time. and at 7 months i assume thats very good.

i have taken a few steps back in her training. i dont allow her off her leash at all when around me. she is on a 15m lead that i always have tied to me. so she has the freedom to sniff around and stretch her legs but she also has limits which i govern.
i must say with Achilles my male i have no problems...he listens 99% of the time.

anyways...i am looking into the e-collar, looking to purchase it end of this month. until then i am starting over with her training, we r doing reward/treat based training. and we r doing it in her enclosure...i think what also added to the problem is the fact that in her enclosure she is allowed freedom to do as she pleases(thats her safe place to be alone) i guess thats why she only does this in there.

Yusrie, remember although your dogs are from the same litter, they're different dogs. Some dogs are just a little feistier than others. To me it doesn't sound as if anything out of the ordinary is happening with your female. Since she only jumps like that in the mornings, it's just that she hasn't seen you for many hours. She's excited to see you - very excited.

The nipping is just part of that excitement, and perhaps she's just a bit more dominant than the male. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It just has to be channeled.

The e-collar may not be the answer for her jumping on you in the morning, since you'd have to leave it on all night in order to use it before you open the kennel door. Not good to leave it on for that length of time. If she jumps on you at any other time while outside the kennel, that's a good time to use the e-collar. Make sure you give her a command when she jumps like "off", then nick with the e-collar. That command and the memory of the nick correction will transfer over when she's in the kennel in the morning.

Yusrie,

We bought Hans when he was 9 weeks old and took him to the vet 2 days later. The vet recommended I use the alpha roll to teach him who is boss and gave me a pamphlet about it. He even demonstrated it. A trainer I took him to also recommended it. The justification for using it is that is how the mother disciplines her pups. When I asked the breeder I bought Hans from, he told me he thought it was nuts. I was confused, and before I found the Leerburg site, and having been told by a vet and a trainer to use it, I tried it. In my opinion and experience, being alpha rolled is not something a dog likes, and is not effective in training. My dog, when he was a puppy, objected to it. I mean really objected to it. He may not like a leash or e-collar correction, but he doesn't give me a piece of his mind when I use them. The alpha roll is something else, and he draws a line there. I stopped using it a long time ago when I started reading this site.

Ed's e-collar DVD is packed with information, and he recommends you spend at least a week conditioning the dog to the collar before you ever turn it on (conditioning is explained in the DVD.) So you are not going to be working the dog with the collar on day one, or even week one, so you don't need to have the collar arrive at the same time the DVD does. If cost is an issue, you can spread it over a couple of pay periods. First, order the DVD and a dummy collar. Study the DVD and condition your dog to the collar using the dummy. Then, next pay period, order the e-collar.

Good luck with your dog!

Rich

 Quote: Diane Joslin

Wondering if the remote collar would help with our other rescue dog Roxie who gets very aggressive in our back yard when she hears the neighbors' dogs outside in their yards. So far correcting her on the dominant dog collar has had no effect when she acts that way.

Diane,
Just becareful about using the ecollar when other dogs are in sight. This can make your dog more aggressive - like she thinks the other dog is causing the stim. It might be fine if they are interacting through a solid fence and can only smell or hear each other.
Lynn

Thanks for the tip, Lynn! I will definitely start reading up on the ecollar postings (I had always skipped over them before because I didn't figure I would need one for Nickie).

We have concrete block walls between the adjoining properties so the dogs do not actually see each other. When Roxie goes out in the backyard, the first thing she does is sniff the air and when she smells the other dogs out there, her hackles go up and she starts being agressive. Nickie, on the other hand, could care less if the other dogs are out (even if they are barking, he just glances over at the sound and then ignores them). He does the same thing on our walks (I have been diligent with his training in this regard since he was a little pup - he's 11 months old now).

Roxie was a shelter dog so don't know her background regarding other dogs.