Natalya Zahn wrote 08/22/2007 02:03 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Amber Morgan ] #152814 - 08/22/2007 02:03 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Quote: Amber Morgan Yup, and since the rabies vaccination is mandated by law almost everywhere, it's really hard to get around it. I hate it. I used to believe what I was taught from childhood: Responsible owners who loves their dogs get them vaccinated. I even posted in defense of the Lepto vaccine on this board a long time ago (boy, was I wrong..*head smack*) The more research I do, the more upset I get. At least the other vaccines aren't required by law. Amber, I remember that Lepto post - your particular reasoning was that Lepto, while very rare in some places, was actually quite common in the area that YOU live (plus there was the possibility of it being transmitted to young family members??)... Does this mean you have decided NOT to vax for Lepto? Just curious - for those who choose MINIMAL instead of NO vaccines, it all comes down to the particulars of an individual's environment and cicumstances... no head smacking neccessary!! ~Natalya
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Amber Morgan wrote 08/22/2007 05:43 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #152838 - 08/22/2007 05:43 PM
Amber Morgan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1849 Loc: St. Louis, MO Offline	Yes, I decided to vaccinate for Lepto because it is really rampant in my neck of the woods, and because it can be transmitted to people (read: my child). So I did it with the best of intentions. However, further research showed me that the vaccine doesn't cover all of the strains of Lepto, not even most of them if I remember correctly AND it has to be given every 6 months. Blech. So, no, I don't vaccinate for Lepto anymore. Cindy was right...I was wrong...Big shock, huh? My Corgi is exempt from rabies vacs as well, because he has an autoimmune disorder that is triggered by---you guessed it---vaccinations. If he gets any more shots it could kill him, so my vet has written out an exemption for my Corgi. I'm still stuck with the laws for the GSD, though. Wow...I can't believe you remember that post. Carbon
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Jenni Williams wrote 08/23/2007 11:53 AM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Amber Morgan ] #152925 - 08/23/2007 11:53 AM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	I can find some links... I think Dr.Pitcairn states it in his book too. Rabies, being a neurological disease, can cause similar symptoms in vaccine form. Nervousness and aggression are very common side effects, which is why I mentioned it in conjunction with this pup. Here's one I found-it's kinda acupuncture-related, but it still applies... http://www.holisticvetpetcare.net/behavorial-problems.htm
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/23/2007 12:17 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Denise Hau ] #152930 - 08/23/2007 12:17 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Denise Hau Jenni - Is there research to back up the rabies shot statement? http://www.dogs4dogs.com/JR_Articles/Rabies.html
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Natalya Zahn wrote 08/23/2007 02:16 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #152936 - 08/23/2007 02:16 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	I'm reading more about this every day, but still learning... Question: If a dog is never vaccinated for anything, does it naturally build and maintain antibody levels for all the viruses we vax against - enough to potentially combat the disease if it was exposed? How would it do so without at least mild exposure? Or is this impossible/rare and just one of the risks of NOT vaccinating? I understand the mother's antibodies are passed down to puppies, but usually diminish to nothing by 8 weeks or so, hense those who prefer to let nature keep pups from succombing to parvo and distemper - but what about adult dogs who have only their own bodies to protect them? *Good links BTW!! ~Natalya
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Jenni Williams wrote 08/23/2007 02:29 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #152938 - 08/23/2007 02:29 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	They can last longer than 8 weeks. Here's a quote: INFORMATION FOR CONSUMERS FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION CENTER FOR VETERINARY MEDICINE FACTS AND FALLACIES ABOUT CANINE IMMUNIZATION The following consumer information is provided by Dr. Sandra Woods, Division of Drugs for Non-Food Animals, Center for Veterinary Medicine. In young puppies, 95 percent of their immunity is obtained by consuming colostrum, which is the first milk produced by the mother dog shortly after birth. TRUE. If the dam is immune to the common infectious canine diseases, her puppies will also be protected for six to sixteen weeks after birth, if they consume colostrum. I have not vaccinated Xander at all, and I hope to never have to. I will vaccinate him for rabies when he's over a year old if I feel he is likely to bite someone. I vaccinate only for rabies and only for their own protection should they bite.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 08/23/2007 03:56 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #152949 - 08/23/2007 03:56 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	For a minimal-dose protocol, here's the Jean Dodds protocol: http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html
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Natalya Zahn wrote 08/23/2007 04:21 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #152955 - 08/23/2007 04:21 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	So without minimal-doses/vax, a dog will NOT ever be able to form it's own antibodies to things like rabies?? ~Natalya
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Denise Hau wrote 08/23/2007 04:39 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #152958 - 08/23/2007 04:39 PM
Denise Hau Webboard User Reg: 02-17-2007 Posts: 170 Loc: Warner Robins, GA Offline	I am still interested in how people learn about all this other than by hands on experience and learning by reading here on the forum. It's interesting and frightening at the same time.
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Jenni Williams wrote 08/23/2007 04:57 PM Re: Vomiting and Loose Stools [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #152962 - 08/23/2007 04:57 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	Rabies isn't something they can get and recover from. I think that only 6 people have ever gotten rabies and recovered. While I'd rather not vaccinate for it at all, I feel this way because it's unlikely...not because I think they're immune on their own. Does that make sense? Denise, I don't know about others, but on the average day, I spend about 2-3 hours just reading animal health stuff. Have been doing it for years. Edited by Jenni Williams (08/23/2007 04:59 PM) Edit reason: saw denise's post
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