Quote: sarah_morris

That was cool. I noticed the dog does not watch the trainer during heeling. He looks straight ahead and he looks very confident.

He was already looking for the decoy, thinking:"Where is my chewing toy"

 Quote: Michael West

I am not a fan of dogs looking up at the handler. then again i think thats part of the sport.

From an obedience and training standpoint, I think dogs looking at the handler is very cool. Obviously, this dog demonstrates obedience and training in other ways! I know nothing about belgian ring...but as far as dogs trained for PPD or military/police work, I would guess that it's not something that's desired? I mean, you'd want the dog focused on his surroundings or on the task, right?

What is cool about the heelwork in BR is that although the dog is looking around at what happens he will stay in contact with you. When you try to sneak away he will keep contact with your leg and thus sences what you're doing. (sometimes he pushes realy hard and it is difficult to hold your footing

Greetings

Johan

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5053919772747448672&q=eriem&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

Other video
enjoy

I do enjoy watching Belgian Ring...it looks like fun. And that course! I find I'm looking at the props as much as I'm looking at the dog. Serious work in a carnaval-like atmosphere.

 Quote: Amber Morgan

 Quote: Michael West

I am not a fan of dogs looking up at the handler. then again i think thats part of the sport.

From an obedience and training standpoint, I think dogs looking at the handler is very cool. Obviously, this dog demonstrates obedience and training in other ways! I know nothing about belgian ring...but as far as dogs trained for PPD or military/police work, I would guess that it's not something that's desired? I mean, you'd want the dog focused on his surroundings or on the task, right?

Exactly, i know its a good show quality :-D and yes we want are dogs to be situationally aware.

i'm sure you guy's will correct me if i'm wrong here, but i don't see the decoys putting much psychological pressure on the dog in these videos. environmental, yes, but psych? and they don't seem to really fight the dog....just kinda "yeah, have a leg bite, there's the leg, it's not really trying to get away".

tell me what to look at if i'm wrong (which i probably am, but trying to learn). way neat dog/handler/trial though--WAY neat

 Quote: ann freier

i'm sure you guy's will correct me if i'm wrong here, but i don't see the decoys putting much psychological pressure on the dog in these videos. environmental, yes, but psych? and they don't seem to really fight the dog....just kinda "yeah, have a leg bite, there's the leg, it's not really trying to get away".

tell me what to look at if i'm wrong (which i probably am, but trying to learn). way neat dog/handler/trial though--WAY neat

Trying to get away esquive or running away from the dog enhances preydrive and it is "easier" for the dog to hold on. Statick decoys are much harder for the dog to work with. br suits are realy heavy duty suits and working in them is a real workout. Have blacked out on several occassions. On putting pressure on the dog i've got a nice story. A month or so ago i was asked to do a bit of decoying in a schtz club. They were out of decoys and nobody wanted to do it. The friendly guy i am , i accepted. First i got an explanation of what was expected and how i should react. I did sufficient good on a young dog and they let an old hardhitting dog bite me.I was warned several times that he was fast and hard hitting.So i did as asked and my training kicked in i placed myself in a possition that i could absorb the impact like we do in ring. The dog was fast but didn't hit me he braked and sat in front of me. Simply because trough my attitude i didn't run, i didn't move excessivly i just presented the arm and wanted the dog to bite me.

Greetings

Johan

 Quote: ann freier

i'm sure you guy's will correct me if i'm wrong here, but i don't see the decoys putting much psychological pressure on the dog in these videos. environmental, yes, but psych? and they don't seem to really fight the dog....just kinda "yeah, have a leg bite, there's the leg, it's not really trying to get away".

tell me what to look at if i'm wrong (which i probably am, but trying to learn). way neat dog/handler/trial though--WAY neat

This is all sport work here so there is no need to put enormous psyc presser on the dogs here.

 Quote: johan engelen

Trying to get away esquive or running away from the dog enhances preydrive and it is "easier" for the dog to hold on. Statick decoys are much harder for the dog to work with. br suits are realy heavy duty suits and working in them is a real workout. Have blacked out on several occassions. On putting pressure on the dog i've got a nice story. A month or so ago i was asked to do a bit of decoying in a schtz club. They were out of decoys and nobody wanted to do it. The friendly guy i am , i accepted. First i got an explanation of what was expected and how i should react. I did sufficient good on a young dog and they let an old hardhitting dog bite me.I was warned several times that he was fast and hard hitting.So i did as asked and my training kicked in i placed myself in a possition that i could absorb the impact like we do in ring. The dog was fast but didn't hit me he braked and sat in front of me. Simply because trough my attitude i didn't run, i didn't move excessivly i just presented the arm and wanted the dog to bite me.

Greetings

Johan

Great example Johan and completely agree. It all depends on how the dog is trained, when it comes to sports some trainers ( i have heard, not seen) train there dogs just for that sport, nothing else and the dog knows exactly what to do in each situation but if you do something they are not trained for they are not going to react the way you want. And Johan's story is a excellent example of that.

Pertile J.L. with Hobbit van Spalbeek became champion cat 3 last weekend with a son off Eriem (dog in the original video). Eriem is only 6 years old and already one of his ofsspring is champion.
Eriems resume

2001 born
2004 Champion cat 3 NVBK
2005 injured (broken leg)
2006 Champion cat 2 NVBK
2007 Son became champion cat 3 NVBK
...

Who wouldn't like to have a dog like that

Greetings

Johan