Janice Jarman Webboard User Reg: 04-19-2005
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Martingale collars are used frequently on Miniature Pinschers because they are notorious for "throwing" their collars. Little snots are very good at backing right out of harnesses, too.
Just fyi, I have used a flat or martingale collar/harness combo on foster dogs, like what was described above. Works very well, stops the yanking on the leash, but protects their little tracheas. Min pins are also susceptible to collapsed trachea.
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The owner sent me an email and all she said was that her dog has "pencil neck" and the vet had approved a harness. I responded back advising her to ask her vet if a martingale collar would be okay and said that the vet would probably know which neck muscles to worry about and what collar would be best (for the physical side, not the training side.) Problem is, I don't have much faith in vets these days... they seem to know nothing about training, or behavior for that matter, but that's another thread..
I agree that she may not want to "hurt" the dog. We will see what the vet says.. I was just wondering if you guys had come across this.
The trachea thing is a real concern. I never walk my Chi w/a collar b/c of it. However, a JRT is not a breed that I've ever heard susceptible to this problem....and even so, why not a prong? That way, pressure is even, and he won't lunge to the end and snap, which is certainly hard on the trachea. IMO, all JRTs need prongs... They should be born with them.
You know, I totally agree about the prongs. I use prongs on my own dogs. The problem for me is that in my experience the average dog owner has been brainwashed to think that the prongs are cruel, unnecessary and painful. I am not new to training, but I'm new to helping OTHER people train their dogs. Honestly, I'm afraid they'll run the other direction if I start busting out prong collars and telling them to "correct" their dog.
Did you know these Petsmart "positive" only training classes are actually teaching "leave it" by bending down and covering up the food with their hand until the dog gets bored and walks away?
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Did you know these Petsmart "positive" only training classes are actually teaching "leave it" by bending down and covering up the food with their hand until the dog gets bored and walks away?
- Vanessa
, they would have to stay in that awkward position for a loooooooong time with any of my food-driven dogs (read "pigs").
Honestly, I'm afraid they'll run the other direction if I start busting out prong collars and telling them to "correct" their dog.
Good. Less of them to annoy us.
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Did you know these Petsmart "positive" only training classes are actually teaching "leave it" by bending down and covering up the food with their hand until the dog gets bored and walks away?
- Vanessa
Excellent way to teach at home amputations. Petsmart is an invaluable resource, and one we're all so lucky to have.
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They should be born with them.
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