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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#157348 - 10/06/2007 10:10 PM |
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The antihistamine is helping.
I started giving yogurt daily ( 1/2 cup/day) after he started itching, following what I've read here about it helping itchy allergic symptoms. He has had yogurt before, off-and-on, but not every day. He has been on a probiotic powder since he was a small pup.
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Re: Itchin' on Chicken
[Re: Sarah Morris ]
#157360 - 10/07/2007 08:12 AM |
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Keep in mind that Nature's Variety has other ingredients besides just chicken. when feeding a ground blend that includes veggies and fruit, there is no way of knowing which ingredient could be causing the itchies.
Also, my vet told me that if a dog improved on antihistamines during an itching episode, it most likely is not diet but environmental or inhalant....not sure if that's true or not but she was of the opinion that antihistamines won't affect a food sensitivity.
Maybe Connie has some info on this?
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Re: Itchin' on Chicken
[Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ]
#157363 - 10/07/2007 10:40 AM |
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Very true about ingredients. There is a big difference between the two diets.
Here's NV:
Chicken, Raw Ground Chicken Bone, Turkey, Turkey Liver, Turkey Heart, Apples, Carrots, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseed, Chicken Eggs, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried Kelp, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Salmon Oil, Olive Oil, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Inulin, Rosemary, Sage, Clove
And Bravo:
Antibiotic-free turkey necks & frames, antibiotic-free turkey, turkey organs (hearts, gizzards, liver), broccoli, green beans, yams
Many of the ingredients in NV are what I put into his veggie glop. I don't include alfalfa sprouts, persimmon, or flaxseed & olive oils and he only gets chicken eggs.
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Re: Itchin' on Chicken
[Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ]
#157366 - 10/07/2007 10:47 AM |
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Also, my vet told me that if a dog improved on antihistamines during an itching episode, it most likely is not diet but environmental or inhalant....not sure if that's true or not but she was of the opinion that antihistamines won't affect a food sensitivity.
Maybe Connie has some info on this?
I'm sorry, I went to bed. :> 
YES!
An antihistamine being helpful or unhelpful doesn't PROVE inhalant or food...... because some dogs never get benefit from antihistamines, and some dogs (many) have combo allergies.
But Cindy is correct: If antihistamines help, a food allergy is very unlikely.
Every source I count on and refer to maintains that, and it makes sense besides.
There is the rationale behind the steps that canine dermatologist books outline (which are the steps we always mention here) with a dog who is allergic: Flea prevention, fish oil and E, trials of antihistamines, watch the ears, rinse off pollens on the way inside, etc.
Next is a strict elimination diet.
This is the order because the reaction to the first steps will hint as to whether it's a food allergy, which is the least likely of the three.
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Re: Itchin' on Chicken
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#157367 - 10/07/2007 11:05 AM |
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I'd say the antihistamine is taking a slight edge off the itching but it certainly hasn't eliminated it. He started scratching and biting first thing out of his crate this morning.
I've checked his ears and so far no odor, redness, or gunk. His paws smell and look normal...no yeasty odor...and he seems to leave them alone. His forelegs are another story...he is nibbling quite a bit and the hair is wearing thin but the skin isn't red or inflamed.
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Re: Itchin' on Chicken
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#157370 - 10/07/2007 11:19 AM |
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Connie,
I just PM'd you, before seeing this thread, with a similiar problem I'm having with my dogs.
BTW, I did reply with a PM.
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Re: Itchin' on Chicken
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#157371 - 10/07/2007 11:21 AM |
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I'd say the antihistamine is taking a slight edge off the itching but it certainly hasn't eliminated it. He started scratching and biting first thing out of his crate this morning.
I've checked his ears and so far no odor, redness, or gunk. His paws smell and look normal...no yeasty odor...and he seems to leave them alone. His forelegs are another story...he is nibbling quite a bit and the hair is wearing thin but the skin isn't red or inflamed.
And he is 100% off the food you suspect (which I think is doubtful.... but you're there and I'm not)?
Did you recently mow a field, plant something new, take him on new trails, or anything like that? New shampoo?
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Re: Itchin' on Chicken
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#157374 - 10/07/2007 11:40 AM |
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I spent a few minutes checking on updated antihistamine info..... Who knows? The research reveals more all the time.
But no. The authoritative sources consider it unlikely that a response to antihistamines (or even steroids) will occur with a food allergy.
Food allergy may occur with other allergies, such as atopy, but this was awfully sudden on a previous non-atopic dog to be a combination of allergens.
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Re: Itchin' on Chicken
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#157376 - 10/07/2007 11:47 AM |
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Yes, as of 2 days ago he is no longer eating NV chicken and as of yesterday he's no longer eating chicken RMBs.
We DID start walking in a new area right next to my home about 2 weeks ago. We stopped going there about a week ago after we had a scary encounter with a vagrant
To my eye the vegetation and soil is exactly the same as my yard but I'm no expert.
Is the central coast in the middle of allergy season, Connie?
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#157380 - 10/07/2007 12:13 PM |
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Is the central coast in the middle of allergy season, Connie?
It is here, and you're a little south of me. Probably a little faster there.
"Middle," though ... no, I would say that we are now in the lovely fall allergy season when the weather doesn't know what to do, so a 60-degree day is followed by a 78-degree day. Plants keep coming back into accidental bloom. You know. The usual here.
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