Carol Boche wrote 10/11/2007 01:48 PM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Kelly ] #157943 - 10/11/2007 01:48 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	All of my dogs can be "handled" by a stranger....meaning...they can be taken out of or loaded into their crates, fed by kennel help when I am away, walked for exercise and held while I "run to the bathroom". This is something that I work on. And all of my dogs tend to be pretty friendly, but they are dogs, and I give them that respect and teach others to as well. HOWEVER, my dogs will not stand for a correction (other than verbal) from someone else nor will they tolerate getting "hard stared" at by a stranger. People can look at them, but I do tell them to stop if I notice them staring right at my dog and my dog starts to "fidgit". Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Mike Armstrong wrote 10/11/2007 02:07 PM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Mike Arnold ] #157945 - 10/11/2007 02:07 PM
Mike Armstrong Webboard User Reg: 08-06-2005 Posts: 615 Loc: San Diego, CA Offline	Quote: mike arnold . . . Flunked the little test on the spot. I guess she just didn't want to visit nursing homes, schools, etc. . . Welcome to the club. I've had my 3yo GSD rescue for about 18 mos. We've worked on her "issues," I've got her pretty obedience trained, more sociable with people and tolerant of most dogs. I decided to try her out in a therapy dog training class. She's obviously not cut out for lap dog work at a retirement home, but here in San Diego, there are several military hospitals and facilities where I think she'd be a hit. We went to an obedience training facility that I had used some time ago. She had no problem being around canes, walkers, wheelchairs, etc. and being petted and handled by those people with me there. But when we got to some similar up-close-and-personal stranger situations, there's one instructor she tended to shy away from (not too bad), but when she softly growled at a different one - the school owner - well . . . We decided not to come back. They weren't my favorite people either. Maybe we'll try agility work. Mike Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -Mark Twain
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Mike Arnold wrote 10/11/2007 03:21 PM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Mike Armstrong ] #157958 - 10/11/2007 03:21 PM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Bob Scott wrote 10/12/2007 01:56 AM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Mike Arnold ] #157996 - 10/12/2007 01:56 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	As a CGC evauator I can only tell you that it's about good temperment and/or good training. A dog that growls when handed over to a stranger is not fully trained, a bit to nervy for this particular situation or not ment to be a social dog. Example; some PPD dogs. Same with a dog that has separation anxiety.(Drags the person to find it's owner). The "average" dog shouldn't have any reason to display any kind of aggression without a threat. Handing over your leash shouldn't be considered a threat by the dog. That's not ment as a dig because the working dog world looks at dogs a bit differently then the "outside" world. ALL of our Schutzhund trained dogs have the CGC certificate. A lot of people look at it as a nothing more then a piece of paper but because the AKC has such a powerful reputation (with the courts) that little piece of paper goes a long way towards CYA in a courtroom dog bite case. Just another point ov view! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Mike Arnold wrote 10/12/2007 05:53 AM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Bob Scott ] #157999 - 10/12/2007 05:53 AM
Mike Arnold Webboard User Reg: 07-09-2004 Posts: 1344 Loc: CNY Offline	Mike A. "I wouldn't touch that dog, son. He don't take to pettin." Hondo, played by John Wayne
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Carol Boche wrote 10/12/2007 11:14 AM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Bob Scott ] #158020 - 10/12/2007 11:14 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Bob, Isn't a SCH BH comparable to a CGC? I have been reading through standards so that we can make sure that our teams standards are going to be "in-line" with other groups. In some of the standards I have researched, the dog has to have a CGC OR a SCH BH. This is why I am assuming (which is bad, I know ) that they are similar. I am confident my "pointy eared" dogs can pass the testing requirements (the Bloodhounds, mmmmmm, that is an iffy one). However, all of the dogs, mine and my team mates as well, are pretty much "well-mannered" with others holding their lead just not with someone trying to correct them like I would. I could research it, however, I am lazy today and also enjoy reading your posts. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Lee Hanrahan wrote 10/12/2007 12:50 PM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Carol Boche ] #158033 - 10/12/2007 12:50 PM
Lee Hanrahan Webboard User Reg: 10-17-2001 Posts: 109 Loc: Oxford Mills, Ontario Offline	Quote: Carol Boche Isn't a SCH BH comparable to a CGC? It's comparable to a CGC (or CGN in Canada), PLUS a CD, PLUS a temperament Test. http://www.leespets.com
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Carol Boche wrote 10/12/2007 12:56 PM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Lee Hanrahan ] #158034 - 10/12/2007 12:56 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Thanks Lee. I am glad I assumed correctly..... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Bob Scott wrote 10/12/2007 03:07 PM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Carol Boche ] #158048 - 10/12/2007 03:07 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Mike, No problem here. I didn't take it as a dig. Carol, The CGC doesn't require much in obedience, just that the dog be well mannered. Although not required, it's considered a prelude to going into Novice OB or Rally OB. The BH requires a fair bit of heeling, both on and off lead, with a walking sit and down. In addition, your dog will be on the sideline in a down position and you will be aprox 30 paces away from the dog with your back turned. This is at the same time another dog is performing the OB routine. You will also do a traffic safety routine to see your dogs reaction to vehicles, joggers, bikes, other dogs in close proximity. A few other things also.This IS required before the dog is allowed to attempt any protection titles. (SchH I, etc) old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Carol Boche wrote 10/12/2007 06:24 PM Re: Freya flunked [Re: Bob Scott ] #158068 - 10/12/2007 06:24 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Cool, so not as similar as I thought, but pretty much a CGC would do as far as standards go to start with. Thanks Bob. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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