Rick Miller wrote 11/04/2007 08:52 PM Re: obedience [Re: Michael Reese ] #161126 - 11/04/2007 08:52 PM
Rick Miller Webboard User Reg: 05-24-2007 Posts: 379 Loc: Wichita, Kansas Offline	Where does he say that you shouldn't teach more than one command in the video?
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Michael Reese wrote 11/05/2007 09:43 AM Re: obedience [Re: Rick Miller ] #161175 - 11/05/2007 09:43 AM
Michael Reese Webboard User Reg: 03-07-2006 Posts: 318 Loc: Sacramento, Ca. Offline	I'll have to watch it again to tell you exactly where. I'm sure I'll watch it again but if you have it give it a watch.
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Rick Miller wrote 11/05/2007 06:33 PM Re: obedience [Re: Michael Reese ] #161263 - 11/05/2007 06:33 PM
Rick Miller Webboard User Reg: 05-24-2007 Posts: 379 Loc: Wichita, Kansas Offline	Well, I just watched the "Markers" section of the video, and I didn't ever hear Ed say not to "train" different commands at the same time. No offense, but I am not going to re-watch this 4 hr. DVD because you think you heard Ed say something like that. There are plenty of times in the video that Ed talks about different subjects other than the command/subject displayed on the menu. For instance, during the "Markers" section, Ed recommends you keep the dog on a long line. So, there is a chance I missed that bit of advice about teaching multiple commands at once. But, if you are going to say that Ed is contradicting his own advice it would be nice if you would be able to tell us where...
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Connie Sutherland wrote 11/05/2007 06:54 PM Re: obedience [Re: Michael Reese ] #161265 - 11/05/2007 06:54 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: michael reese Another possibility is he might be saying teach only one thing in a session. That would be my take. About the walking on lead..... I think of that as kind of an ongoing thing, as opposed to a separate command. I've seen the video several times (and also "assigned" it).... if you tell me what part the instruction is in, I think I'll remember it.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 11/05/2007 06:57 PM Re: obedience [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #161267 - 11/05/2007 06:57 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Oh, wait..... do you mean the part about teaching each part of a command separately before putting them together?
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Sarah Morris wrote 11/05/2007 07:41 PM Re: obedience [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #161277 - 11/05/2007 07:41 PM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	My recollection and interpretation of that DVD was don't introduce more than 1 new command in a given training session. I couldn't tell you where on the DVD I heard that but that's what I came away with. True
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Rick Miller wrote 11/06/2007 08:36 AM Re: obedience [Re: Sarah Morris ] #161355 - 11/06/2007 08:36 AM
Rick Miller Webboard User Reg: 05-24-2007 Posts: 379 Loc: Wichita, Kansas Offline	Quote: sarah morris My recollection and interpretation of that DVD was don't introduce more than 1 new command in a given training session. I couldn't tell you where on the DVD I heard that but that's what I came away with. I don't remember Ed saying that, but it sounds like OK advice. Would still like to know where it is on the tape so I can see for myself! If anywhere, it should be in the "Markers" setion, but perhaps it was something said casually in another section... I think it is kind of unclear what the OP is asking. In the first post, he asks about "training" different commands in the same session, not "teaching" or "introducing." He even gives the example of training the sit and down together, so I am sure the dog in this example is not learning those commands for the first time. So, Michael, are you asking about "training" multiple commands after the dog has learned the meaning of the command, in one session, or are you asking if you should only introduce more than one command per training session?
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Michael Reese wrote 11/08/2007 03:09 PM Re: obedience [Re: Rick Miller ] #161909 - 11/08/2007 03:09 PM
Michael Reese Webboard User Reg: 03-07-2006 Posts: 318 Loc: Sacramento, Ca. Offline	Rick, My computer has been down so I couldn't reply. I have watched the video again, and the place I was talking about is in the recall section with the dog named Anna. I don't know where you get the idea that I'm doing anything other than looking for understanding. If I thought anybody was contradicting thenselves I'd be clear about it. It did occur to me yesterday that Ed might be taking these dogs through training at the same time he's video taping which may have occured over days, weeks, or months. My guess is what he means is when working on a command don't try to get the dog to do other commands. I don't like to guess I'd rather be certain. I just wanted to see what somebody else's take on it is. What is your definition of training Rick? Teaching to me is but a sub-category of training. Teaching, proofing, correcting I recognize as different aspects of training. If you have a deeper understanding of this concept spill your guts man I'm all ears.
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Michael Reese wrote 11/08/2007 03:15 PM Re: obedience [Re: Michael Reese ] #161912 - 11/08/2007 03:15 PM
Michael Reese Webboard User Reg: 03-07-2006 Posts: 318 Loc: Sacramento, Ca. Offline	Connie, I think your on the mark when you mentioned walking on lead as being an on going thing. I think Sarah's got the idea also about teaching one thing at a time.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 11/08/2007 03:21 PM Re: obedience [Re: Michael Reese ] #161913 - 11/08/2007 03:21 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: michael reese Teaching to me is but a sub-category of training. Teaching, proofing, correcting I recognize as different aspects of training. Right. I believe that's why Rick was asking this: "Michael, are you asking about "training" multiple commands after the dog has learned the meaning of the command, in one session, or are you asking if you should only introduce more than one command per training session?" Introducing a new command would indeed be different, for me, from continuing to practice or distraction-proof an already-introduced command.
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