Quote: sarah morris

 Quote: carol boche

We were both laughing on the way to the house

CAROL! This was THE moment to use your "femine wiles", turn on the crocodile tears, make him feel bad for laughing at your near-death experience and the wound you received and...

Hit him up again for little Ember

I WISH....crocodile tears wouldn't work, he knows me too well.....
He is right (as much as I hate to admit it) but I quite a few dogs right now. I have a couple dogs leaving in
March so I will be down to just mine. I need to think of the time and effort she needs as a growing young malimonster......

Wait, I must be missing something. Why on earth did you wrestle him to the ground? Are you talking an alpha roll? Why not correct, if thats what you're going to do, and then immediately leave the field thus ending the fun and letting the dog know this behavior means he loses fun time? Did you feel that this was a dominance issue?

 Quote: benjamin colbert

Wait, I must be missing something. Why on earth did you wrestle him to the ground? Are you talking an alpha roll? Why not correct, if thats what you're going to do, and then immediately leave the field thus ending the fun and letting the dog know this behavior means he loses fun time? Did you feel that this was a dominance issue?

Um, yes, it was a dominance issue. A brat doesn't get his way, so he bites. Yep. Dominance. Ending "fun time" is nowhere near the level of correction needed for an offense like this. I'd have done the same thing (and have, only my dog didn't bite me-he was gonna go after my little one). No offense, Benjamin, but you're pretty new here, and I think you're missing a whole bunch of background info on Carol and the type dogs she has.

Carol did correct him, and he escalated it by biting her. I don't think you can allow that kind of thing to stand. She took charge and made him submit. Not something I have the knowledge or experience to do...but she does.

 Quote: Benjamin Colbert

Wait, I must be missing something. Why on earth did you wrestle him to the ground? Are you talking an alpha roll? Why not correct, if thats what you're going to do, and then immediately leave the field thus ending the fun and letting the dog know this behavior means he loses fun time? Did you feel that this was a dominance issue?

He bit me, I handled it...when he got up we went and worked obedience. Something else that let's him know I am not going to put up with that crap.....then, since he performed obedience work well and was over the previous issue, he got rewarded for behaving......

It was a total temper tantrum because he couldn't do what he wanted so he tried to do what he wanted by coming up the lead.....not gonna happen with me.....

This dog also has never done this before.....ever....so tomorrow we go to the vet as I explained in the original post.

 Quote: Benjamin Colbert

Wait, I must be missing something. Why on earth did you wrestle him to the ground? Are you talking an alpha roll? Why not correct, if thats what you're going to do, and then immediately leave the field thus ending the fun and letting the dog know this behavior means he loses fun time? Did you feel that this was a dominance issue?

A leash correction and ending fun time would be a very good response to many unwanted behaviors.

For me, the dog biting his handler in the situation described isn't one of them. JMO.

Benjamin,
You haven't had any fun if you've never had an adult dog turn on a lead and bite you. It takes more than a firm 'No' and a 'no play for you' kind of correction. Firm control and a clear mind is in order, and Carol is trying to show thru words how its done.
But so far you've got it right; pose the questions, and you'll get the answers.

Keep asking.
Randy

 Quote: carol boche

This dog also has never done this before.....ever....so tomorrow we go to the vet as I explained in the original post.

This is smart smart of you. I think you have handled and are handling this just perfect.

I just want to add. My first dog had cracked a canine as a young dog. I opted to "reconstruct" the tooth and the vet did tell me at the time that there would likely be an abcess that would form on down the road...(years) but sure enough, upon examination when the dog was 10, I discovered her gum line there a bit puffy. Took her in and the tooth had in fact developed an abcess. We removed it...cannot *imagine* that abcess was pain free for her.

Thinking back, that was about the time her journey into "crotchety ol lady" started...(oh, that tooth, AND the new pup MoJo) Are there any other changes/stressors going on in your world that Rock might be tuned into?

(not by any means to negate the liklihood of it being a plain and simple temper tantrum) but the fact that he's never done this before is what gets me...and how old is he again?

He is 5 and half, respectively. I am not aware of his total background either.
The story seems to change when I ask questions.....so far the only "facts" I have learned is that he is a wash out of a LE training program because he was TOO equipment fixated. Which, he is. He knows all the drills, and when he was evaluated (I wanted to see what he knew) this was determined.
Also, if I take out a rifle or a handgun, he gets totally amped up just seeing the firearm.
He is not afraid of anything, has had some disaster training so he will climb anything, is willing to do whatever I want him to.

Only downfall is he has no gonads......I think he would be a great dog as far as siring pups. Although he is very OCD and with the little I know about breeding, not sure if this is a desired trait......but his temperament is great.

Grandson Cole is coming over today to hide for the BH (he is four and can put Rock through obedience and plays fetch with him like mad) HOWEVER, he is going to be bummed since I will not allow it until we figure out if he has some teeth issues going on......

No stress and everything is great and going well, I was unable to train a whole lot with my elbow broke, but, with the off-lead dogs I have, it was not a big issue, just for the trailing dogs really......

 Quote: Sarah Morris

Carol did correct him, and he escalated it by biting her. I don't think you can allow that kind of thing to stand. She took charge and made him submit. Not something I have the knowledge or experience to do...but she does.

Exactly Sarah, Leerburg has a great product for handler aggressive dogs which is the Dominant dog collar. Though problems like this happen when you least expect it you have to make due with what you have which Carol did to a tee under the circumstances.

http://www.leerburg.com/746.htm There is a actually a real good explanation on handling handler aggressive dogs with the DD collar that made things a lot clearer to me, if something like what just happened to Carol ever happened to me. Even if I did not have a DD collar on my dog.