 Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168910 - 12/15/2007 10:25 PM |
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Being told there is no point in titling just because you don't intend to breed is crazy!
I will never breed my adult GSD because of "moderate HD". That doesn't bother him in a bit and I intend to add as much to his SCHII/CDX/CGC as I possibly can. It's all about having fun with the dog. Not whether you intend to breed or not.
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168915 - 12/16/2007 12:50 AM |
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Being told there is no point in titling just because you don't intend to breed is crazy!
I will never breed my adult GSD because of "moderate HD". That doesn't bother him in a bit and I intend to add as much to his SCHII/CDX/CGC as I possibly can. It's all about having fun with the dog. Not whether you intend to breed or not.
You sure are enjoying saying "SchHII" aintcha Bob???? 
I have also been told that it is confusing to the dog to do both Sch and PPD training.
Sport training done right can be a good foundation for PPD training. Many dogs that go to police come from sport background.
The big problem is when dogs who are too weak or not driven enough to do sport training then get classified as a "PPD". This is complete BS. If the dog can't do sport then why can the dog be a PPD?? Sport is lower on the food chain of requirements than PPD's and PSD's, not the other way around.
Weak dogs can do sports but cannot be PPD's. If the dog is a sport washout, then he should not be a PPD either.
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168930 - 12/16/2007 08:41 AM |
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Okay then, regardless of breeding it seems you guys think Sch is okay. This is good to hear because at some point in the game I might want to do Sch just to have something that he and I can do together to continue having fun and learning! 
Connie, thanks for the post giving the criteria for the BH, it was very helpful and somewhat intimidating. Actually, everything I read I was excited about except the part about having another dog paraded back and forth in front of my dog w/out me there.  Good thing my trainer has about 6 dogs we can work w. All are different levels of stimulation. Some more submissive, like his detection lab and others much higher. He has about 3 Mal's all with different attitudes. We have exposed them before on different occasions and we have been very successful in having Levi stop focusing in on them and more on me but for me to walk away, leaving Levi alone and have dogs paraded back/forth makes me realize this is going to be much less easy than I thought. 
ah well, what's life w/o a challenge??
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168964 - 12/16/2007 02:50 PM |
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Aside form the basics that Connie posted, the BH is subject to interpritaion by the judge giving the test.
Ed had/has a good tape on doing the BH. It shows a buldozer backing up with that annoying BEEP, BEEP,BEEP warning signal as the dog heels past. I've know judges to take dogs out on public streets, filling stations, etc in order to meet their interpretation of the traffic saftey test.
Either way, if you have a sound dog that obeys the basic obedience exercise, it's easy.
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168966 - 12/16/2007 02:56 PM |
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I think that the judges who go overboard on the BH are taking great dogs out of the gene pool by doing so. Alot of great ring and knpv dogs would not do well in a BH the way it's given by some judges.
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168970 - 12/16/2007 03:03 PM |
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Mike, I agree! There are plenty of dogs out there that don't want anything to do with anyone outside their own "family" These could be fantastic protection prospects but may never be able to pass a simple BH.
Schutzhund has watered down a lot of the "real dog" tests for the sake of points and allowing less then good dogs pass. The attack out of the blind is a one example.
I enjoy it for the sake of doing a dog sport but our club still does the "extras" to keep the real dogs real.
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168972 - 12/16/2007 03:04 PM |
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As far as obedience goes, I've already got it licked! Levi is awesome with obedience. We've taken him out when we were shooting before too, not an issue there, although he did pay attention to the sound and where it was coming from when the first shot rang out but no startling or fear, once he was curiously satisfied the rest of the time he never even acted like he could hear anything.
The big issue is, of course, the dog aggression. That is what is worrying me most. That is my biggest challenge! I'm sure one little show of aggression and we are done. I guess any given exercise can be trained and if you are using the same dogs in the exercise he will adapt but what happens when the dog is different, off leash and in a different environment. This is my concern. Not that I'm saying no to the challenge, it just concerns me.
With my luck, I'd get radical, psycho judge!
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168975 - 12/16/2007 03:31 PM |
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You pick your own judge. Each judge has a certain reputation. If you dont like the judge at a certain trial then dont go and wait till you can trial under a judge that you do like. Each judge has their own specific ideas and most people who have trialed under a bunch of different judges will be able to give you some insight.
Some judges like to develop the reputation as hardasses thinking it makes them respectable, judging club level trials like it were the nationals, while other judges are more fair to the club level folks. I think DVG selects a judge for you, whereas Schutzhund USA allows the organizers of the trial to pick their own judge.
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#168982 - 12/16/2007 04:04 PM |
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"Schutzhund USA allows the organizers of the trial to pick their own judge".
As does WDA!
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Re: Training for a BH while PPD training???
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#169123 - 12/17/2007 12:18 PM |
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You can go for a WH title, positive exercise, if your dog enjoys bite work he'll enjoy training for the WH for sure..can't hurt!
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